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Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by jski, Apr 20, 2019.
That Tikka 1:8 sounds like you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Tikka has 1.8 twist factory barrels
I came across the 1:8 Tikka about a month after building my Savage 22-250 AI... definitely would’ve gone with the T3 had I known earlier!
Yes agree with what your saying, for example the 223 Tikka 1:8 twist has a bit of a cult following here in Aus for LR work & .224 is generally one of the cheapest component wise to load for depending on what your using, plenty of bulk projectile deals to be had.
I have a Remington SFV hunter 22/250 with 1:14 it can shoot up 70's with a flat base, It does the job on varmints but yeh I wish more factory makers would include more twist rates in their factory offering!!!
There is a definite market for it, Id love to have my rifle with a 1:10 from the factory.
I don't understand why more manufacturers aren't on top of this?
The Barrett Fieldcraft in 22-250 comes standard with 1:8 twist.
Where are you guys seeing the Tikka 22-250 with an 8 twist? Don't see them anywhere. Or are you all talking about the Tikka 223 with 8 twist? Those I can find.
Whittakers has the Tikka 1:8 I bought one last month, will be punched out to 22 creedmoor. They also sell a ruger american in 1:8 twist 22-250. Barrett initially released the fieldcract 22-250 with a 1:7 but quickly changed it to 1:8. I looked really hard for the 1:7 model before getting my Tikka.
This is exactly correct, I do have a 9 twist 22/250 AI
that I use 69 gr bullets in that works very well for me on prairie dogs.
But i also have a 6mm with 105s sitting close by for when I want to reach out a little more.
Not to mention the 223 with 50s.
I re-barreled a 788 to 8 twist at 24" and am running 75 vld's 3342fps and very accurate 1.75" at 400 yards. I have shot prairie dogs last two days and its stupid in the wind compared to my 223 with 55's. First day was 30 for 35 and yesterday 28 for 31. At 400 yards you better be on your game and this combo makes it easier.
1 in 9 wont do it. For those long 22 cal bullets a 1 in 8 is minimum, its marginal for 90+ grain bullets. A 1 in 7 is better. If you you're stepping into 95 or 100 grains a 1 in 6.5 is way to go. I been working with a 224 Valkyrie with 1-8 and the 88gr ELD. It pretty good but I wish I'd gone to a 7 twist. Check the Berger stabilization app for the bullets you want to shoot before you buy. I promise you that a 1 in 9 will not deliver what you want. Maybe up to 69 grains or so but the military even tightened up to 7 and 8 twist for the 77 grain mk262 model 0. The difference in BC makes for long bullets and going from 77 to even 80 grains is pretty significant. When you start breaking into the 500s coefficient you'll be shocked. Pushing an 80 grain to 2700+ in a 5.56 makes for only 37 MOA at a grand. Your 22-250 could be a monster with a 6.5 or 7 twist.
This was my thought on the topic as well.
Why not save all the angst and just up the caliber? Say like moving to a 220 Swift as one example?
I generally don't shoot much LR in smaller calibers other than .223 Remington.
Not because I don't want to...just never got around to it, but it seems that trying to get Lamborghini performance out of an old Ford Taurus is a great way to toss loads of $$ at an otherwise fruitless project when there might already be a better mouse trap, as the saying goes.
Not that I'm against experimentation, you understand. I guess I'm more of a purpose-built kinda guy and leave the modifications up to polishing the individual round(s) to extract the utmost performance in a given caliber.
Again, I'm NOT criticizing a specific caliber over another. Honest. I'm just intrigued by the mindset that looks to make one object into something that is already accomplished by another, dedicated, item.
However, all that said, if a shooter is an experimenter and likes to tinker to find that next great gun/ammo/bullet combination, I say Why NOT?!?
Good Luck and let us know what you ultimately decide on and how the project turns out for you.
You might just change this Curmudgeons mind. LOL
I can appreciate your concern but it's all about the dollars and cents for the bean counters, honestly. And the manufacturers don't want product sitting on the shelves that isn't moving since it ties up Capital. I reckon they figure not many folks want a small caliber rifle with a gain twist these days, right? LOL
However, if the gun manufacturer(s) would make known they have barrel "options" WRT twist rate and so on, I'd be inclined to think they could actually scoop up a share of the market place previously unexplored. Potential buyer plunks down his moola for a specific action/caliber/twist and the manufacturer snaps his fingers and SHAZAM! Buyer gets what he or she wants instead of just another copycat that is a cookie cutter gun. Yawn.
Oh, and make barrel swaps a "relatively" easy project for the DIYer type not unlike how Savage makes their barrel attachment utilizing a barrel nut that is relatively easy to manipulate and ensure proper headspace.
Granted it isn't the most aesthetically appearing barrel/receiver combo but it isn't overly garish in appearance, either.
Form over function or something I reckon.
All that aside, my caliber juices are starting to flow and I think it is time to explore a new barrel for my Savage .223 so it can toss out some heavier pellets.
Although it does a remarkable job shooting everything from 52 grains up to 69 grains using SMK projo's. Not shot out by a long shot IMO but I have an itch to try some 75 grain and up pellets just because.
What a GREAT hobby this is!
Have Fun and Be Safe.
Savage makes the most economical fast twist rifle out there. I own one and it shoots 1/2 MOA with the right loads. I shoot 75 to 80 grain Hornady ELD bullets and it loves them with Superformance.