Wind mirage prevents you from using more... the guru's say, and I guess I believe them. But jeepers man, things is itty bitty out past 1000 yards. I am thinking 8x25 loopie with mildot. Please talk me out of it in a way I can believe, cuz I think maybe the 16x max is probably true, but I can't convince my brain to truly believe it! LOL Thanks for any replies.