Hammer Bullets Experience

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Sykes, Oct 6, 2018.

  1. Sykes

    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    I bought a Cooper model 52 Timberline this summer in 280AI and put a Leupold VX5HD 3-15 on it. Pretty awesome setup but I had a hell of a time getting it to shoot anything under an inch. I even tried the load that came with the rifle from Cooper and it wasn't even that great. I was 200 handloads into this rifle plus all the different factory stuff from Nosler and couldn't get anything to consistently shoot under an inch. 168 bergers being the best.

    I was about to give up on the rifle and trade it off but I liked it so much I wanted to make it shoot. I had read some good things on here about Hammer Bullets so I called Steve up to talk to him about which one of his bullets to try. I talked to Steve for probably 30 minutes on the phone and discussed this rifle and his bullets. I decided on the 143 Hammer Hunter. With his suggestions I fired 9 rounds and found the load this rifle liked! 60g of 4831sc is giving me 3120 fps with a 215m primer and great accuracy.

    I loaded up the rest and bought another box of 50 and started shooting steel to 500 yards to get ready for elk and bear this fall.

    I had asked Steve about shot placement with one of his bullets wondering if a hard shoulder shot was necessary or if the meat saver shot behind the shoulder was ok. He assured me behind the shoulder would work fine. No luck finding a bear but I did get an elk. I put the sneak on and took the shot at 70 yards, good thing I did all that practice at 300, 400 and 500 yards! This elk dropped so fast I really thought that I had missed. Right behind the shoulder complete pass through. Exit hole was around the size of a golf ball and there were chunks of elk on the willows behind her. Wicked job that bullet did.

    Since the elk I shot 3 coyotes. One was walking away so he got the Texas heart shot at around 200 yards. Bullet came out The front right shoulder. The other 2 I had an opportunity I couldn't pass on. They were chewing on an elk carcass and from 93 yards I waited for them to line up broadside side by side. Well I got em both with one shot lol. First dog hit spun and ran about 50 yards, second one in line dropped like a rock. First time I ever pulled that off!

    I had not had good luck in the past with Barnes so the all copper thing was making me a little hesitant to try the Hammers. I'm glad I did though, they shoot great out of my rifle and did a number on that elk. I'm gunna keep shooting them out of this rifle and I'm very confident they will do all I need them to do.
     
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  2. Sykes

    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    20180928_073624.jpg Bottom coyote in both pictures was the first one hit 20180928_073700.jpg Exit side. Not for friendly lol
     
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  3. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    Nice report. Nice photos too! :)

    The Hammers were the bargain, compared to the prior 200 bullets. Good to know...
     
  4. Sykes

    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    500 yards. Top 2 were the first fired. Made an elevation adjustment down and fired #3 which is middle left. Made windage adjustment and shot the 4 together middle right
     
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    Heavyiron Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Great to see a load worked out a new rifle. It is frustrating to have a new rifle that will not group well. Sounds like you got er done though.
    My 280ai loves imr4831 with 139 interlock
     
  6. Sykes

    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    I was pulling my hair out! I tried RL 19, retumbo and 4831sc with 160 accubonds and partitons, 168 bergers, 140 TTSX which was the bullet from Cooper with RL19 and 162 eld x bullets. All the factory Nosler ammo and the factory Hornady precision hunter. Id have given up long ago if it wasn't such a nice rifle
     
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    BEEMAN Well-Known Member

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    168 Classic hunters is all I’ve tried in my 280AI Cooper. My barrel is slow but but I get them going 2880 fps with H4831SC. How is your Cooper chambered? Mine has very little free bore. Got to stuff the 168 CH way into the case. If I load them to Mag length I’m over 100 thou into the lands.
     
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    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    My chamber is pretty tight too. That's about the same speed I had the 168 vlds going in mine.
    I'm loaded to just fit in the mag and still function with the 143 hammer hunters 3.355 coal
     
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    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Left to right 143 hammer hunter, 168 Berger vld, 165 Sierra gamechanger
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  10. TXAoudadKlr

    TXAoudadKlr Well-Known Member

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    I haven’t been too impressed by the Barnes. I really dig the non conventional design performance characteristics of CEB and hammer bullets.
     
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  11. phorwath

    phorwath Well-Known Member

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    I think lathe-turned copper monolithic bullets will be more uniform and consistent in tolerances, and more accurate. Of course it requires a capable lathe and a good operator, and some ongoing QC testing of the finished product.
    I don't know how Barnes manufactures their bullets, but they lack the surface of custom lathe-turned bullets.
     
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  12. JJMoody

    JJMoody Well-Known Member

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    I'm running the same Bullets at 3530 fps in my 28 Nosler! My rifle liked the 168 and 180 Bergers too, but so many doubts on close range performance and meat damage and a few conversations with Steve, who was very easy to get ahold of and helpful, pushed me to try the 143 Hammer Hunters. I kind of had my mind set on H1000 and ran it up to 3580, found a 6 fps Es at 3512, but had more vertical than I would like, adjusted seating depth and found a 1/2" load. Took it out to 500, then 720 yds to get data. Also tried RL 26 up to a very hot 3668(don't do that) I like h1000 stability so I'll stay with this load. It's like a laser beam with a hammer at the end. Gonna try to put it to the test on some aminals here shortly!
     
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    Sykes Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    I can't wait to hear your results with that load in your 28, that's gunna knock the hooves off something!
     
  14. Dallas Hardaway

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    Iv got a 26 nosler and a 6.5/300 Weatherby. Went to the 124gr hammers and got them to shooting really well. Also the 64gr 22 cal hammer is a bad dude. Kills whitetail like lighting!
     
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