Finding the perfect bolt action 22 cal.

I got my first 22 CZ in 1980 and the only problems I got that the bolt needed striping for a clean every 100 rounds or so. Wore it out over the years and now have CZ .17hmr which is better as long as there is NO wind. Do the trigger job.
 
+1 to CZ 452 and Anschutz. IMO, Anschutz is the best and CZ is as close as you can get (accuracy-wise) while not paying an exorbitant amount. Brother has a CZ 452 American that will shoot MOA or better out to 150 yards with match ammo. His Anschutz will do the same.

Another thing to consider (I think someone posted earlier about the Mossberg 44a) is trying to find an older bolt action .22 with iron sights. I've found that anything manufactured back when the .22 was used to put food on the table is a pretty accurate rifle. I have an old Mossberg bolt that will hold its own against anything other than a CZ or Anschutz. Longest shot was a 172 yard headshot on a pigeon (probably luck, but shhhh). Other kills at 150 and less tell me it's still a shooter though.

It's all about how much you want to pay, but since I just bought a CZ 527 American in .223 - my vote is for the CZ 452.
 
When looking at centerfire rifles this past summer, I looked at Kimber. The bolt was not as closely fitted as in a CZ and others like Sako, Winchester, Browning. Some people seem to have warranty issues with them. Kimber is good about the warranty and seems to put things straight when there is a problem, but I think they charge too much for problems to be anything but the rarest of issues.

This apparent drop in quality would probably carry over to the rimfires. These days, it is more likely a manufacturer will drop quality instead of raising prices, especially in a high labor cost market like the USA. The drop in CZ price is probably due to a Euro vs. Dollar fluctuation. If so, you need to buy before the situation reverses.

I compared CZ to Anschutz, and CZ is actually stronger built. The CZ 452 has been a military training rifle for decades, and it was designed for very heavy daily use in primary rifle training. If you get a deluxe wood stock or a composite stock on a CZ 452, 453 or 455, it will at least be the equal of Kimber. I know a salesman who owns both, and his CZ rifles slightly outshoot his Kimber and Cooper by a tiny amount. He says it's not noticeable in the field, but is from a benchrest at the rifle range.

A lot of CZ production goes to government agencies, and they are the largest small arms manufacturer in Europe, if not the entire world. That translates to economy of scale. Government agencies look at quality for cost and have usually done extensive testing before making a large purchase. Until that changes, it is reasonable to assume a CZ will deliver bang for the buck like few others can do. The other rifle I liked was the Winchester Model 70 made by FN. It is also made by a large government contractor on ultra modern robotic CNC tooling in the USA. Nobody doing hand labor can make a better rifle at a lower cost. The precision and slickness of the bolt reminds you of a Sako, and it is far above a Tikka. I would definitely buy one instead of a pre'64 at a jacked up price that is actually less precise.

Maybe Winchester will start making bolt rimfires again when Model 70 production catches up, and maybe FN will manufacture it for them in a similar way they make the Model 70. Until then, the CZ 452, 453, 455 seems to be alone in a custom accurate rimfire at a mid level price.

You can't make a rimfire in North America, and even less so in Germany or Finland (high tax socialism), that will be as good as a CZ and sell for the same price. CZ is a huge company, that builds much more than rifles, being a major supplier of automotive and aviation gearing. Their buying power and financial situation means a smaller firearms-only maker like Kimber hasn't got a chance unless they charge substantially more for their product. Business Sense 101.

Fischer, the world's largest privately held company of cross country ski manufacturing and winner of more competition medals than all other companies combined, has not been able to survive just by building their world class skis. They are a major supplier of composite components to the aviation and automotive industry in a similar fashion to CZ's business model......where the real money and technology advancements are produced. They also manufacture skis in eastern Europe where prices are lower than in Austria. You just can't get the best bang for the buck from a sporting-firearms-only manufacturer. In fact, the sporting end of it needs to be more of a sideline as it is less reliable in demand. Consider Ducati, the fabulous sport motorcycle manufacturer, who is owned by somebody else, Piaggio I think. Piaggio is the world's largest maker of scooters which are necessary utility vehicles, and they outsell sportbikes by far, and that is where the real money is at. If Piaggio didn't own them, Ducati would have to charge far more, and they would sell far less and probably would not be around today.

Maybe that is why we do not see Remington and Winchester bolt rimfires anymore. They simply can't be made at a price that will compete against the likes of CZ due to the business model the companies have pursued.
 
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Kimber quit making .22's. But they are still good used. Cant remember if OP is looking for new or just any good .22.
 
I went to a gun show in Billings recently. An old Sears J.C. Higgins .22 semiauto with scope of its day was priced at $295. Most everything used was priced above its value to me, based on what I can pay for new stuff. The wood stocks on the new CZ rifles seem to be better than the used ones I sometimes see in the rack, and I like the new style stocks better..

I see lots of centerfire rifles and shotguns and pistols for sale in the local Thrifty Nickel. Rarely do I see any rimfire rifles for sale. Except for a few cheap semiauto rimfires which are rarely accurate, the gun shops are fairly void of decent bolt reimfires. When a person gets a good accurate bolt rimfire, it tends to become a favorite rifle and it doesn't get traded off in most cases.

My CZ 452 is one of what I consider the three most important firearms to own: A .22LR rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun and a centerfire rifle suitable for big game hunting in your area. That covers small game/varmints, fowl and big game. Everything else is an extra, not a bare essential. Those 3 firearms need to be considered carefully.

After living here for over 3 years, I have yet to see a single CZ rimfire up for sale in the Thrifty Nickel, although they are one of the most popular new rifles on the racks in local gun shops. There were none for sale at the Billings gun show, but plenty of other brands were available. Shop salesmen tell me that CZ rifles never come back with problems. People who buy them report that they are real shooters. I have yet to meet my first unhappy CZ owner. I'm on my 3rd CZ rifle, not counting my CZ75 pistol. Everything but my FN FAL and Browning shotgun have been replaced with a CZ firearm. An improvement in all cases.

CZ builds rifles like we once did. Did you buy something cheaper? Then you probably bought less. I've been looking hard for something better at a lower price, but it never shows up.
 
Has anybody competed with the CMP's Kimber Model 82 Governments? They were the Army Marksmanship Unit's .22 competition rifle for a few years.
 
I haven't competed with one, but I've handled plenty of them (every time I make it to the North Store). They're a fine rifle, gigantic heavy barrel on them. I know several people who have bought them, and they say they're fairly accurate. I always find myself not buying one as I like a repeater and the Kimbers are single-shots.
 
Mine is not accurate enough to compete with. It shoots good, but that isnt good enough for competition.
 
The AMU armorer surely accurized the raw product from the Kimber factory; wonder if any of that knowledge persists anywhere....
 
We started building RF actions again. Putting rock creek cut rifled rim fire barrels on them and the accuracy we have seen will rival anything out there.
who is "we" and what are the prices?

I can vouch for the CZ452/453's being great guns for the $. My choice for the long range stuff would be the 453 varmint model with the 2 action screws, heavy bbl and the single set trigger. And maybe one of Don Stith's bench stocks.:D

I put a lilja Sundberg taper on my Sako Quad and it shoots pretty well too. gun)
 
Maybe if you read the whole thread you would know the answer. :D

Lawton.
Ok smart aleck. You're too late. I found the who and I looked up the website,(parts under construction) I don't find .22 actions listed or the price for said actions. Now, would you like to alienate another customer or would you rather just be kind and helpful?:rolleyes:
 
Ok smart aleck. You're too late. I found the who and I looked up the website,(parts under construction) I don't find .22 actions listed or the price for said actions. Now, would you like to alienate another customer or would you rather just be kind and helpful?:rolleyes:

You asked, I answered. Now you can help yourself. Dont know the price? Pick up the phone or send an email, since you already know who make them.

I dont have anything to do with Lawton, so you are only alienating yourself.
 
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