I forgot to add something. Why they dont standardize the 25 souper, or 25-308 is beyond me. I have one on a mauser 98 that I haven't shot yet due to money and die issues, among other problems. But I still got the caliber anyways. You would think it would be better then the .243 win, since its essentially the same thing. With Richards target bullets, or say a 100g btip, it would be just as accurate as the .243 and give us .257" lovers another caliber to play around with. I would think there would be a lot more demand for something like that, then a 338-08.