I quit using them 15 years ago before they were even really popular for hunting, still labeled just target VLD bullets. Used the .257" 115g VLDs in 25/06, 7mm 168g and 180g VLDs in a 7 RM, and 210g VLDs in a 300 RUM. The terminal performance was just unpredictable at best. Sometimes, they would pencil through like FMJs up close, sometimes they would blow up at 600-800 yards like varmint bullets. Never did lose an animal with them, thank goodness, but some did take 2 or 3 follow up shots as well. I switched to Hornady AMAXs and never looked back in 7mm and 30 cal. Still have a thousand or so of the 7mm/162 AMAX. Also using the 180g ELDMs. I dont have to worry about what they're going to do when they hit an animal close or far, they expand violently either way, every time. Work better at longer ranges IMO, but work just as well up close if you slip em behind the shoulder. Just my experience anyway. Plus the Hornadys are about half the cost of Bergers and give up really nothing in terms of BC or accuracy in my rifles, and they kill really well when you put the bullet where it needs to go.