Bigger is better theory or truth?

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  1. MZmoose

    MZmoose Active Member

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    With deer the 243 with fast opening bullets will drop deer quickly inside of 200 yds. In my experience it's less effective beyond that and I would bet my paycheck the 30\06 would be more effective. But deer really aren't that tough. If we're talking elk or moose I'll take the 06 every time.
     
  2. Raudy707

    Raudy707 Well-Known Member

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    Yes bigger is always better. Elmer Keith was right. Any bullet with a larger diameter and comes in contact with more tissue has more lethality. Ask any doctor and check any medical documentation on gunshot wounds. 22 caliber wounds are generally survivable wounds but 44 and 45 caliber wounds usually end in death. The doctors can't stop all the bleeding and the tissue damaged is too extensive. Also the whole idea of one hole being better than two is complete nonsense. Ask an army field medic which is more detrimental to human life...one hole and a lodged bullet or a pass thru with 2 bleeding wounds and complete tissue damage throughout a body. Come on people, its common sense. Shock and energy are expelled the second it contacts your skin. If it passes thru your chest and out your back, your dead. As is any animal. Look it up. Talk to a medical examiner, armed servicemen medic or physics major. Bigger calibers with more mass will always be more lethal, cause more havoc and wreck more tissue than a smaller one. That's why they shot Buffalo with 500 grain bullets traveling 1300 fps into near extinction not small fast little bullets. Simple physics.
     
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  3. Jeremy R Snyder

    Jeremy R Snyder Well-Known Member

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    Just out of curiosity on the 2 holes better than 1, coyote hunters have long said if you want to save a pelt and are using a large caliber for game gun such as a 6mm, you use a target round or a heavy round that doesnt expand but just punches one hole in and one hole out. May have to follow the blood trail to recover the animal more times than not though. So given a large caliber bullet doesnt have the neccessary resistance to expand properly does not work as effectively as a smaller caliber. So to big is not as good in my opinion. Given military usage why does every grunt complain about having to use excessive rounds to drop the target rather than 1 round. Same theory, fmj do not expand, do they kill yes but is there a better, faster option, in my eyes yes and I was talking about game not humans
     
  4. robert l

    robert l Well-Known Member

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    Because this is long range hunting.And alot of us hunt out to a 1.000 yards. So not bringing you down in any way.Thats not what im trying to do. But when you here that saying its coming from long range hunters most of the time. It takes along time to learn to shoot long range so we are proud of what we do.
     
  5. robert l

    robert l Well-Known Member

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    I live in florida and there are alot of swamps here. So a bigger bullet cuts though the thickets where a smaller caliber you can not shoot.
     
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  6. Jeremy R Snyder

    Jeremy R Snyder Well-Known Member

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    Not sure where I said it's coming from long range hunters? I mentioned it comes from hunters in general, no real particular groups at all... I've been shooting long range for almost 25 years now and still make mistakes on a regular basis so not sure what you mean
     
  7. robert l

    robert l Well-Known Member

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    I guess i misunderstood your comment. I was referring to this forum.Not in general.My mistake.
     
  8. robert l

    robert l Well-Known Member

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    you should read it again because i never said that you said any thing.so please do not put words in my mouth.
     
  9. Jeremy R Snyder

    Jeremy R Snyder Well-Known Member

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    Was not trying to, I was confused by the comment is all.
     
  10. Aoudad shooter1975

    Aoudad shooter1975 Well-Known Member

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    I have found traveling to 4 continents, and hunting various game animals...bigger diameter and good bullet sectional density and penetration win the day--not DRT...which is nice but not required.

    Many moons ago I was hunting with a good friend on our ranch near San Angelo Texas. He was using a 22-250 ..we saw a very nice buck at the edge of a wheat field. Ricky shot that buck and he dropped like a sack of potatoes...as we approached the buck he regained his feet and moved like the wind the longer he was on his feet...Ricky used a neck shot where he felt confident...and placed the bullet where he wanted it...I have shot many deer with a 22 cal and had good results...but I have only lost one deer with a "over 25 cal" rifle....and that was about bullet I was using...if I had a choice to hunt any place any where not knowing the terrain...I'd usually pack a 7mm and above...I had a custom 358 Winchester I was in love with for awhile..it was a custom built on a Sako 591...accurate and with a 225 grain bullet I could not find much it would not kill inside 350 yards...
     
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