Almost forgot the .25 guys

[RockyMtnMT]

But hey you guys are used to that right?

We put a new .25 up on the site today. Designed for a 9" twist.

Steve

 

[mgood]

I dig it! I hope you guys don't get upset if you make it and I don't buy it RIGHT NOW. If this was out five months ago, I might've rebarreled my 25-06 rather than starting a 6.5mm project. Right now I'm saving my lunch money to finish paying for parts on the 6.5 SS. Then I'm looking at an 8mm somethingorother (325 WSM on longer action or possibly a wildcat, to go along with the 8mm Rem Mag I have now). Then, somewhere down the line, I might come back to the 25-06 with a new barrel. I'm glad these higher BC bullets are becoming available for some of the previously BC-challenged calibers, but unfortunately I can't buy everything at once, as much as I'd like to. The 25-06 Rem was my first love in a hunting caliber, and only the lack of bullets made me look elsewhere. If I can draw a New Mexico tag, I'm going to nail an antelope with it in October, but only because the 6.5 probably won't be ready by then.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

I dig it! I hope you guys don't get upset if you make it and I don't buy it RIGHT NOW. If this was out five months ago, I might've rebarreled my 25-06 rather than starting a 6.5mm project. Right now I'm saving my lunch money to finish paying for parts on the 6.5 SS. Then I'm looking at an 8mm somethingorother (325 WSM on longer action or possibly a wildcat, to go along with the 8mm Rem Mag I have now). Then, somewhere down the line, I might come back to the 25-06 with a new barrel. I'm glad these higher BC bullets are becoming available for some of the previously BC-challenged calibers, but unfortunately I can't buy everything at once, as much as I'd like to. The 25-06 Rem was my first love in a hunting caliber, and only the lack of bullets made me look elsewhere. If I can draw a New Mexico tag, I'm going to nail an antelope with it in October, but only because the 6.5 probably won't be ready by then.

Is your 25 a 10" twist? If you are at 3000' elevation 10" twist will give a 1.3sg. Would cause you to lose about 6% of the bc. Would still be very accurate.

Steve

 

[Dosh]

Steve, just my thoughts that new .25 bullet sounds great, but of all the .25's I and numerous friends own they are all 1:10 and a couple 1:12. I'm sure your bullet company is sales driven and you're missing a lot of revenue. Beside the number of 1:10's there is a huge amount of hunting real estate under 3000' in this country. If you produce a .25 with high BC for 1:10 I'll be the first to buy them since there is only one other higher BC bullet available and Hornady's ELD-X has 0 offerings in .25.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Steve, just my thoughts that new .25 bullet sounds great, but of all the .25's I and numerous friends own they are all 1:10 and a couple 1:12. I'm sure your bullet company is sales driven and you're missing a lot of revenue. Beside the number of 1:10's there is a huge amount of hunting real estate under 3000' in this country. If you produce a .25 with high BC for 1:10 I'll be the first to buy them since there is only one other higher BC bullet available and Hornady's ELD-X has 0 offerings in .25.

Until someone figures out how to make bullets out of tungsten it won't happen. The .25's just can't be high bc in 10" to 12" twist. It is not possible. The bullet would have to weigh 130g and not get any longer than our 103g bullet that is 1.202". Might be able to get that weight without a point. No matter how much we want to we can't beat physics.

Steve

 

[Dosh]

Steve, thank you for your reply, knew there must be a reason. Thanks and good luck.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Did some more calculating. To get a 1.202" bullet (that is the length of our 103g) to stabilize in a 12" twist it would have to weigh 190g.

Steve

 

[YOSEPPY]

I'd like a varmint round for my 25-06

 

[RockyMtnMT]

I'd like a varmint round for my 25-06

So when you say varmint you mean ground squirrels? How far to shoot? Bullet to come unglued on contact? Fill me in on your needs. So far we have designed for big game.

Steve

 

[mgood]

I dig it! I hope you guys don't get upset if you make it and I don't buy it RIGHT NOW. If this was out five months ago, I might've rebarreled my 25-06 rather than starting a 6.5mm project. Right now I'm saving my lunch money to finish paying for parts on the 6.5 SS. Then I'm looking at an 8mm somethingorother (325 WSM on longer action or possibly a wildcat, to go along with the 8mm Rem Mag I have now). Then, somewhere down the line, I might come back to the 25-06 with a new barrel. I'm glad these higher BC bullets are becoming available for some of the previously BC-challenged calibers, but unfortunately I can't buy everything at once, as much as I'd like to. The 25-06 Rem was my first love in a hunting caliber, and only the lack of bullets made me look elsewhere. If I can draw a New Mexico tag, I'm going to nail an antelope with it in October, but only because the 6.5 probably won't be ready by then.

Is your 25 a 10" twist? If you are at 3000' elevation 10" twist will give a 1.3sg. Would cause you to lose about 6% of the bc. Would still be very accurate.

Yes. 1:10"
I currently live at 2600'. Where I've done most of my shooting, and where I hope to be antelope hunting this fall, is more like 3600' (or maybe a little higher, up to around 4600, depending on what unit I draw).

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Yes. 1:10"
I currently live at 2600'. Where I've done most of my shooting, and where I hope to be antelope hunting this fall, is more like 3600' (or maybe a little higher, up to around 4600, depending on what unit I draw).

I ran some ballistics for you.

The 92g Hammer Hunter would easily run 3500fps in a max load. This would give you a max point blank range of 390 yards. A max hunting range of 600 yards using a min velocity of 1800 fps. With a 300 yard zero a 500 yard shot would need 4.6 moa of drop and the bullet would still have a velocity of 2050fps.

The 103g Hammer Hunter easily run 3400fps in a max load. It would extend your max point blank range to 400 yards. Max hunting range to 800 yards using the 1800 fps min velocity. Using a 300 yard zero it would need 4.1 moa of drop and still maintain 2325 fps.

Because of the marginal stability you would lose 3% on your bc with the 103g bullet. I calculated this into the figures above.

My take away from this is if you are running out to 500 yards they run pretty even. The 103 would extend your max hunting range 200 yards. I will always recommend keeping your stability factor up when possible. There should not be any accuracy issues, but I think the higher stability factor helps with terminal performance.

So I think you can choose between the two and get the job done.

Steve

 

[5 Shot]

They look great, but are a tad out of my budget, unfortunately.

 

[mgood]

I ran some ballistics for you.

The 92g Hammer Hunter would easily run 3500fps in a max load. This would give you a max point blank range of 390 yards. A max hunting range of 600 yards using a min velocity of 1800 fps. With a 300 yard zero a 500 yard shot would need 4.6 moa of drop and the bullet would still have a velocity of 2050fps.

The 103g Hammer Hunter easily run 3400fps in a max load. It would extend your max point blank range to 400 yards. Max hunting range to 800 yards using the 1800 fps min velocity. Using a 300 yard zero it would need 4.1 moa of drop and still maintain 2325 fps.

Because of the marginal stability you would lose 3% on your bc with the 103g bullet. I calculated this into the figures above.

My take away from this is if you are running out to 500 yards they run pretty even. The 103 would extend your max hunting range 200 yards. I will always recommend keeping your stability factor up when possible. There should not be any accuracy issues, but I think the higher stability factor helps with terminal performance.

So I think you can choose between the two and get the job done.

Thanks.

 

[shorty]

All right...you've got my attention. I've got a 25-06 with a 9 twist, I'll be calling in an order to give them a try.