338-06 quest

bgouin

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Years ago I had a Rem 700 in 30-06 re-barrelled to 338-06 by Pac-Nor (24" 1-10 twist). They used a JGS reamer. Which is close to but possibly not the same dimensions as a reamer for 338-06 A-square. Weatherby 338-06 ammo (210 gr. Partition) was available but would not chamber in my rifle. Pac-Nor increased the throat length to accommodate the Weatherby and other ammunition (Superior Custom). The throat may be longer than necessary, but I cannot determine that. This leaves me with two reloading issues:
1. The rifle is very accurate with some ammunition including Nosler Custom 225 g. AB, and some of my low velocity practice loads. The Nosler ammo is woefully slow. Advertised velocity is 2600 fps. while the chronograph velocity is less than 2400 fps.. I use Nosler, Weatherby, and and Norma brass which is on the soft side. I am trying to achieve 2600 fps with a 225 gr. Hornady SST/IB, Barnes TTSX or Nosler AB without much success. This velocity will not give me long range capability, but it should be reasonable for Elk. I have read many posts and reloading guides which claim 2700 fps. without excessive pressure. I cannot get above 2550-2580 fps with Rel 15, IMR 4064, H4350, nor H4895 without high pressure when maintaining a COAL max of 3.340". Any thoughts on this other than Rel-17? Also my best accuracy comes from a COAL of 3.385" to 3.295", possibly due to the aforementioned long throat.
2. Most reloading posts and manuals use reformed 30-06 brass which is harder and heavier than the Nosler/Weatherby/Norma brass. Also reforming yields a case length of about 0.020" or more shorter than the trim length of 2.284". So my thinking is that reformed brass has a smaller volume, shorter neck hence less neck tension, and does not deform as easily as my softer brass. Do I have to throw away my expensive brass with the proper head stamp and buy 30-06 brass to improve performance? Again any thoughts would be helpful.
 
I have a 338 Sherman. It is basically similar to your cartridge. I used 270 RWS brass to fire form the cases. That prevents a short case when finished and good neck length. The RWS is very consistent and very strong. I shoot 205 Hammers in mine at very close to 3000 fps and very good SD/ES using N550 and F210 primers.
 
Good morning! When I had a .338-06 (sold it on this forum 😐) I was using the Speer 225gr SBT, H414 powder, CCI Magnum primers and Winchester 30-06 brass. That combination consistently printed between 1/2 & 3/4 MOA at 200 yards. Took out many a white-tail deer with it. I didn't have a Chrony at that time so I can't comment on the velocity, but it was sure an accurate load/combo.
 
I'm using Hornady 06 brass and H414 with 210 TTSX and getting 2741fps with magneto speed. It shoots so well that I rally don't care about velocity as it shoots completely through everything I point it at. My gunsmith used 4320 with same bullet with over two dozen head of African game killed and only 4 bullets recovered. The animals wont know the difference.
 
I shoot the 338-06AI version and have found IMR4320 and N140 to be the most accurate and easy to tune powders. Thats with 215 grain Sierras, 210 Noslers, and 225 Hornadys. Hoping to test the 230 ELDX tomorrow. Im using 35 Whelen brass thats necked down and fireformed.
 
I use Varget in my two 338-06's.
Mauser JES rebore to 338-06 - 200 Gr. Accubond I get 2697 fps.
Shilen barreled Savage - 210 Gr. Hammer Hunters I get 2615.
Rounds are seated at 3.30 and both barrels are 22". Norma brass and CCI-200 primers.
 
I use Varget, Norma brass, and CCI BR-2 primers. I agree you should be able to make 2,600 fps with a 225 gr bullet. I was getting 2,600 fps with 236 gr Hammer Hunters and I'm now getting over 2,800 fps with 205 gr Shock Hammers.
 
I have been able to get 2753 over the magneto speed with 61.5 gr of H4350 and CCI 200's with 225 AB's at 3.488 coal with no pressure signs and 23" tube. 2624 with 58 gr H100V loaded the same. The 215 SGK's have been good too, 2746 with 62 gr H4350. All of these loads have been 3/4 MOA at 100.
 
The 215 SGK's have been good too,
Gotta make sure these are pushed to maximum velocity in the .338-06 just like Sierra says. I found out why. Was shooting these out of my .338-06 a few years ago with fantastic target results. Opening day of gun-season for deer during that time I shot a very respectable 8 pt at 200 yards and found him only 30 yards away from the spot he was standing when I shot. Noted a caliber size entry hole....and a caliber size exit hole. I went to the spot where he had been standing and managed to locate the bullet 'dig trail' in the ground and recovered the dang thing. Check it out. I obviously WAS NOT pushing it hard enough (didn't have a chrony at the time). Dressed the deer and noted a clean, caliber sized hole right through his heart. I got lucky. I never used that bullet in my .338-06 again. It certainly was not the bullets fault....was all mine. Switched to the Speer 225 SBT from that point on.
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Gotta make sure these are pushed to maximum velocity in the .338-06 just like Sierra says. I found out why. Was shooting these out of my .338-06 a few years ago with fantastic target results. Opening day of gun-season for deer during that time I shot a very respectable 8 pt at 200 yards and found him only 30 yards away from the spot he was standing when I shot. Noted a caliber size entry hole....and a caliber size exit hole. I went to the spot where he had been standing and managed to locate the bullet 'dig trail' in the ground and recovered the dang thing. Check it out. I obviously WAS NOT pushing it hard enough (didn't have a chrony at the time). Dressed the deer and noted a clean, caliber sized hole right through his heart. I got lucky. I never used that bullet in my .338-06 again. It certainly was not the bullets fault....was all mine. Switched to the Speer 225 SBT from that point on.
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I've only punched paper with them. Cheap to shoot. I use the 225 AB's for hunting. 2700-2750 with accubonds is good medicine. Thanks for the pics and info though. I remember reading that the 215's were completely different then smaller GK's when it comes to to speed and jacket thickness. I wonder what min. velocity is needed for the 215 SGK is for reliable expansion?
 
I use resized Norma 30-06 brass with RL-17 and 225 Barnes TTSX in a Weatherby Mark V Ultralightweight.
In theory this brass is the "same" as Weatherby brass, since they make it for Wby. I purchased a few hundred on Gunbroker, then annealed them and prepped them. At the time it was the closest to headstamped Weatherby brass without spending $$$$.

With the 24 inch barrel I have been getting just over 2700fps with 61.0gr of powder.
Like you, I tried a few powders and RL-17 was consistently the best.
 
My 338-06 was a Remington 700 Long Range 30-06 rebored by JES.It is one of the best shooting rifles I own.I really like the 200gr bullets,both the Silver Ballistic Tips and Accubond.My rifle shoots them both same POI.It's accurate with several loads.I use the WLRM Primer on all of them.Here is my load data.
180gr Accubond 58.0grs Varget 3010fps
180gr Accubond 60.0grs Big Game 2940fps
200gr Accubond 60.0grs 760
200gr Accubond 62.0grs H4350 2740fps
200gr Accubond 63.0grs Hunter 2730fps
200gr Accubond 59.5grs BLC-2 2830fps
200gr Accubond 56.0grs Varget 2849fps
210gr Partition 54.0grs Varget 2721fps
200gr Accubond 59.0grs CFE223 2807fps
200gr Accubond 59.0grs Big Game 2812fps
200gr Accubond 61.0grs Accurate 4350 2661fps
210gr Partition 59.0grs Accurate 4350 2777fps

I use Lee 338-06 A-Square dies.I use once-fired 30-06 Winchester brass.Resizing it is easy,just make sure to lube the inside of the neck well since your necking the brass up.After sizing the brass,it's going to be just a tad short on length,but that has no affect on it what so ever.I've only shot 200gr Nosler Silver Ballistic Tips,200gr Accubonds and 210gr Nosler Partitions.They run around 2800fps and it shoots about as flat as a 30-06 with 165gr bullets.The 225gr would probably be a good bullet too,but it would be a little slower and would be about like a 200gr in the 30-06.As for powders,just about everything between Varget to 4350.
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