I ran them with H50, but nothing else yet. They didn't do so hot, but I don't want to get on here and say they are a bad bullet because I really think they will shoot with the right combo. I use the H50 for the 230 bergers and love it. I'm going to try something different before I put em away. I know theres not many using H50 like I do, so I was hoping someone using h1000 or something else had ran some.