This is why you should workup a load slowly, a lot of people build overpressure loads without realizing it, they use the old school process of identifying a hot load visually and it doesn't work for the modern, tight chambered rifles. Most often a person that builds a load by backing off a couple of tenths of a grain after they see "signs of pressure" end up with a load that's producing max pressures of around 70,000 PSI or more.
I did not make any comment with the Quick Load calculations that I posted. Common sense says that if 2750fps with a 30-06 (24 inch barrel) and 180gr bullets is the norm, that any heavier bullet will shoot at a lower speed. Pressure = speed and it is not linear, so extra speed means a lot of extra pressure. Read up on locking lug setback and then case life becomes the minor problem.
Buy a magnum or sneak in a bit closer if you think 210gr bullets are necessary for your prey.
Another way to go is to load Winchester 170-grain Power-Point bullets to 2500 fps. Little recoil, devastating on whitetails at woods ranges.this Gun is a very light weight, short mountain gun thats 22 inch that I’ve owned for nearly 40 years. I use it in the thick woods. In the past I’ve always just bought factory 180 grain bullets that got the job done. The gun Has a low power scope 2x7. Like I said close quick shots. I’m just Trying to just find a hand load that will work fairly good out to 200 yards Max. I like a minimum of 180 grain but have shot 200 plus grain in other 06 for this type of hunting.
most of my 180 grain loads run around 2750 to 2800. I have rl 26 in mass abundance just no published data for a 30-06 That why I was wanting maybe a starting point.
IF I can get the 180 grains to works that would be great but if I can’t the accuracy I want I’d like to give the 210 a try because I have such a ample supply of those bullets.
As far as buy a magnum, I
have plenty of magnums for open country. I don’t want to use magnums because of the length of the guns, weight, etc on shots that most of the time is 100 yard or less.
Yep. Great bullet there. I have used that bullet the silver tip and power point some years back. My last decade bullet of choice is the 180 gr flat base interlock. Pushed around 2800fps in an 06. death on a whitetail. I know they is a lot of bullets out there but I’m not sure you can ask a bullet to do more than that bullet at close range. I Just can’t seem to get it to shoot really great in this 22 inch gun. Haven’t given up on it yet. I’m still playing with it and on my last set it really liked it really close to the lands.Another way to go is to load Winchester 170-grain Power-Point bullets to 2500 fps. Little recoil, devastating on whitetails at woods ranges.
Brian lytz still TESTS his nodes loading like this....
Just because it's old AND WORKS doesn't mean its not RIGHT!!!
we do the same thing making explosives-airbag inflators etc...
EMPERICAL PROOF ALWAYS BEATS COMPUTER SIMULATIONS AND ENGINEERING THEORIES!!!!
I did not claim that the figures are exact, because I have been doing these calculations for many years. The proof is in the figures posted by Dog Rocket - for a 300 WIN MAG. QL thus shows that something might not be all kosher with the 30-06 loads. Re-inventing physics is not that easy.Hey, you know who actually does instrumented pressure testing? Alliant does...you know, the guys that sell the powder?
They are getting just over 2,800 fps with a 215 grain Berger at max load from a 24" barrel.
They are getting just over 2,900 fps from a 200 grain Berger at max load from a 24" barrel...
From a 300 Winchester Magnum.
ARE YOU JUST TROLLING AND STIRRING OR DO YOU WISH TO HELP THE POSTER WITH HIS QUEST.
The most obvious sign of pressure is velocity. The laws of Newtonian physics are notoriously rigid.Every guns different every loads different keep loading AS YOU SEE FIT...
If you see no pressure signs-it is safe in your rifle in your location on that day...
Yep, because that is very close to max with that bullet. Hodgon lists some slower, bulkier powders with higher speeds, but I would love to know how they got 81 grains into a 300 Win case with a 220 grain bullet. Makes me think they are using QL as well instead of actually loading and shooting some of these loads.I have seen pressure signs with a 220 Sierra in a 300 win mag as low as 2600fps...
Nope.-same load supposedly same build for rifle no pressure signs at 3000fps....
The most obvious sign of pressure is velocity. The laws of Newtonian physics are notoriously rigid.
Yep, because that is very close to max with that bullet. Hodgon lists some slower, bulkier powders with higher speeds, but I would love to know how they got 81 grains into a 300 Win case with a 220 grain bullet. Makes me think they are using QL as well instead of actually loading and shooting some of these loads.
I will concede that it is possible to get 3000fps from a 300 Win with a 220 grain bullet, but it would require the bullet to be seated waaayy out, and the throat would have to be exceedingly long to avoid catastophic pressures. So, not exactly what we are talking about here is it?Guess all you computer keyboard geniuses have a better understanding than aberdeen-amu-crane and AMC COMBINED. LOL
Of course the loads that were finally finalized on were copies of Ackley and then Stratton who loaded for 10 rifles at a time .5 grains at a time and .005 length at a time @ 0deg 50deg 100deg 150deg test temp....
All loads were not stopped until primer issues but full cycling at 150deg was considered max
Wish I would have known more to ask questions when I observed this 25-30 years ago
It would seem in general reloading has become very conservative compared to our forefathers AND the guys pushing the envelope in the gwot....
I will concede that it is possible to get 3000fps from a 300 Win with a 220 grain bullet, but it would require the bullet to be seated waaayy out, and the throat would have to be exceedingly long to avoid catastophic pressures. So, not exactly what we are talking about here is it?
That same group you hold up as experts also put the stamp of approval on some M118 308Win loads and some MK248 300Win loads that were basically good for only one loading and would lock up bolts if the ambient temp got too hot.