225 Eldm and 230 atip for Hunting

[buckbrush]

Here's another good watch.

LOL at people who think Meateater has much for credibility.

 

[teejj]

I've killed three whitetails here with tge 225
Eld m in my .300 win at around 2760 fps mv. All three died incredibly quickly, two went straight down in fact (one was admittedly a CNS hit). The other did a drunk run maybe 20 yards and piled up. Crazy blood loss.

All three exited, including one that went through the front shoulder/neck spine area. All three DEFINITELY opened up very fast and violently. It's an off switch. I wouldn't shoot a moose in the shoulder with one.

Nice to hear! Thanks

 

[Laelkhunter]

……

That recovered bullet is a Hammer? It kinda looks like a Barnes TTSX minus the plastic tip.

 

[Barehandlineman11]

Hammer 110%
Every bullet will have a failure though im just not sold on the copper train yet. I like my bc to be close to accurate and bullet retention. I have seen hammers kill well too but so far two bent noses.

 

[Rosebud]

……

What was this recovered from? Also it's a very long one. Could have been shot in a rifle without enough twist to get the stability needed. If it unstable in flight it could cause what you're seeing.

 

[Calvin45]

What was this recovered from?

I've recovered one like that….from a snowbank!!!!

 

[Barehandlineman11]

I built the gun to shoot that bullet.. over twist for its recommended twist. Bullet failed plain n simple. Recovered from a black bear. Was killed few days later.

 

[PatriotHenry]

What was this recovered from? Also it's a very long one. Could have been shot in a rifle without enough twist to get the stability needed. If it unstable in flight it could cause what you're seeing.

Stability was exactly my thought too.

 

[teejj]

Stability was exactly my thought too.

If it is this tough and will hold together even when it yaws it's not my long range hunting bullet of choice.

 

[Barehandlineman11]

Its not a stability issue its 181 hammer hunter in a 1-9 twist. They did have it labeled for 1/10 twist and now say 1-9.5. G7 was listed as .272 actually was .231. Gun shot good out to 1000. Bullet just failed.

 

[Rosebud]

Its not a stability issue its 181 hammer hunter in a 1-9 twist. They did have it labeled for 1/10 twist and now say 1-9.5. G7 was listed as .272 actually was .231. Gun shot good out to 1000. Bullet just failed.

So, you have two examples out of hundreds of thousands. I can live with that.

 

[Barehandlineman11]

I think its more common then people think. I think there tipped bullet will help it but time will tell. There is no perfect bullet. Ive had bergers pencil through. And explode on impact. But ive had many many perform as supposed too

 

[teejj]

I think its more common then people think. I think there tipped bullet will help it but time will tell. There is no perfect bullet. Ive had bergers pencil through. And explode on impact. But ive had many many perform as supposed too

That we should all be able to agree on that there is no perfect bullet and they all can fail.

 

[Calvin45]

That we should all be able to agree on that there is no perfect bullet and they all can fail.

I also think we need some consensus on what "failure" means. Some people call it failure when a bullet doesn't exit. Some consider it failure and wasted energy when it does exit. Some consider it failure if it doesn't retain all its weight. Some consider it failure if it doesn't fragment violently. Some people complain of bullet failure…after autopsying a dead animal killed by said bullet.

In regards to that hammer recovered from a black bear…it failed to perform as intended. HOWEVER…there's more to this story. The bullet is still very visibly deformed. There would be decently broad wounding from this kind of tumble. If the bear was found dead days later that might make sense. But if the bear only succumbed to its injury's days after being shot it's plainly indicative it wasn't shot in a very fatal spot to begin with.

Heck you could "ice pick" wound a bear or any other critter on this continent with a .308 FMJ load and if it was double lunged, heart shot, or hit in the liver there's no way it survives for days after. Hours maybe. MAYBE.