6mm Creed on muledeer

Ron 6mm said:
I have mentioned in another thread that here in the northeast, if your deer doesn't go down you are likely knocking on doors to ask permission to track your deer. This is not always a fun experience. As a result, I bumped up my 6mm to a 25-06 and have had great results. Since most shots are around 100 yards, they typically drop or take just a few steps.
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If you can see where they go after the shot it might work well. If you can't, I would go up in caliber. I'm using a 6mm Creed right now. But already thinking on 25 cal. Distance, velocity, and resistance play big roles. I've killed a lot of deer in the past 2 months with my 6mm Creed, and some hogs using 107TMK, at 2800. 103 eldx and 108 eldm at 2950 in an AR. At 50 - 550 yards. The 108 did best. The other 2 didn't cut it. 25 to 30 samples for each for all 3 and still going. But what was readily apparent to me as the trends started to show were lack of shock at impact, small blood trails, and small exits. More velocity might have helped, a bit heavier animal may have helped. I know caliber helped because I shot several, 15-20, with 6.5 caliber in 6.5-06 and 6.5 Grendel that died right there. None ran.

So, Not so good for me around bad or inaccessible terrain. Fine if you can stand straight up walking, see which way he went, and see the animal laying 50 yards ahead of where you're tracking.
 
lancetkenyon said:
My 6CM has killed quite a few mule deer bucks and one doe during youth hunts.
105 Hyb @ 3188fps MV. Shots have been from about 250 to 500.
Pronghorn too, out to 460ish.
All together, I would say total travel distance from 5 mulies and the pronghorn is maybe a total of 20'.
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What powder are you using to shoot the 105's that fast Lance?
 
Gunbearr said:
I've used the Hornady 108 eldm on deer and one cow elk. It works well, but shot placement is crucial.
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We have taken a cow elk at 658 and multiple large whitetails to 350+ with the 108 at 2940 out of a 20" 6 Creed. 20 yards was the farthest any have gone, the elk dropped in her tracks. Can't go wrong with the 108 or 109 ELDM and the 107 and 116 TMK. Working on a 116 TMK load for a fall Colorado bear hunt.
 
Turpentine21 said:
If you can see where they go after the shot it might work well. If you can't, I would go up in caliber. I'm using a 6mm Creed right now. But already thinking on 25 cal. Distance, velocity, and resistance play big roles. I've killed a lot of deer in the past 2 months with my 6mm Creed, and some hogs using 107TMK, at 2800. 103 eldx and 108 eldm at 2950 in an AR. At 50 - 550 yards. The 108 did best. The other 2 didn't cut it. 25 to 30 samples for each for all 3 and still going. But what was readily apparent to me as the trends started to show were lack of shock at impact, small blood trails, and small exits. More velocity might have helped, a bit heavier animal may have helped. I know caliber helped because I shot several, 15-20, with 6.5 caliber in 6.5-06 and 6.5 Grendel that died right there. None ran.

So, Not so good for me around bad or inaccessible terrain. Fine if you can stand straight up walking, see which way he went, and see the animal laying 50 yards ahead of where you're tracking.
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I'm getting ready to work on a load for the 107TMK. I'm interested in knowing what about it failed to make the cut, vs the 108ELDM for example
 
I have used my 6 creed running 88gr Hammer Hunters at 3300 fps for deer and elk very nicely. It is now loaded with the 89gr Hammer HBC at 3400 fps. This combo out runs everything (6 creed) to any usable hunting distance.
 
T_the_Tinkerer said:
I'm getting ready to work on a load for the 107TMK. I'm interested in knowing what about it failed to make the cut, vs the 108ELDM for example
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The whitetails I shoot for depredation avg. 100 pounds and their average broadside width is 12 inches or so. With the 107TMK and 103 Eldx I got very little expansion, very small wound channels, long runs. More resistance may help it expand more. My DRT % dropped to less than 20% with both of those bullets. With the 108 Eldm things went much better. Larger wound channels, more blood, larger exits, shorter runs. DRT % went to 85.
I normally shoot mid to high shoulder. But when I'm testing I will also shoot crease at times if I have a large enough area that I can see the run.
These weights could be a bit heavy for the size animal I am shooting. But I also shoot hogs so there's that. I may test some 95 grain bullets next year just to see the difference but so far, to me, the 6mm has not been the most impressive for what I'm doing.
 
RockyMtnMT said:
I have used my 6 creed running 88gr Hammer Hunters at 3300 fps for deer and elk very nicely. It is now loaded with the 89gr Hammer HBC at 3400 fps. This combo out runs everything (6 creed) to any usable hunting distance.
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As in retained minimum impact velocity?
Retained energy on target?
Maximum yardage to retain both of these?
 
Turpentine21 said:
If you can see where they go after the shot it might work well. If you can't, I would go up in caliber. I'm using a 6mm Creed right now. But already thinking on 25 cal. Distance, velocity, and resistance play big roles. I've killed a lot of deer in the past 2 months with my 6mm Creed, and some hogs using 107TMK, at 2800. 103 eldx and 108 eldm at 2950 in an AR. At 50 - 550 yards. The 108 did best. The other 2 didn't cut it. 25 to 30 samples for each for all 3 and still going. But what was readily apparent to me as the trends started to show were lack of shock at impact, small blood trails, and small exits. More velocity might have helped, a bit heavier animal may have helped. I know caliber helped because I shot several, 15-20, with 6.5 caliber in 6.5-06 and 6.5 Grendel that died right there. None ran.

So, Not so good for me around bad or inaccessible terrain. Fine if you can stand straight up walking, see which way he went, and see the animal laying 50 yards ahead of where you're tracking.
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Give the 70 and 95 NBT a go, that'll put them on their buns toot sweet
 
I've shot about 15 deer (Axis and Mule deer) with 103s at 3000 out of a 20" 6 Creed. One of the deer was a Mule Deer buck that was pushing 300lbs… at 285 yards that 103 broke both shoulder blades, blew chunks of lung and heart all over the Palouse, and the deer went about 10 yards.

On Muleys in mountainous terrain, or thick country… I'd be leaning more toward big 6.5s or 7s.
 
Before I knew the BC was too low, the boy killed 7 SD mulies with the 85 grain Partition from the 243. We did catch a couple bullets on the far side hide. Shots were 75 to just under 400 yards. None of those deer did much traveling if any and none ever needed a second shot. He was the only kid out of 4 that shot the 243 instead of the 260 starting out. Wound channels were very similar to the 260 holes. All of his deer were good size adults and 2 were really nice 'ears to shoulders' bucks. I would draw the line at 400 yards with that bullet.
 

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