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Target hybrid for hunting. Yes
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Gday petey308
Just clarification please
You are actually meaning the cavity has to open not crumple inwards in regards to your buckle statement
Sorry to be a pain just clarification as different interpretation of buckle or processes in my world as a buckle can go both ways
To others & petey308 do you guys clean the hp out with a small drill or has Berger fixed the issue that I found ( a few years ago ) gave the odd erratic results & once I drilled / cleaned them out they gave consistent results
Nice results people
Cheers
Just clarification please
You are actually meaning the cavity has to open not crumple inwards in regards to your buckle statement
Sorry to be a pain just clarification as different interpretation of buckle or processes in my world as a buckle can go both ways
To others & petey308 do you guys clean the hp out with a small drill or has Berger fixed the issue that I found ( a few years ago ) gave the odd erratic results & once I drilled / cleaned them out they gave consistent results
Nice results people
Cheers
I'm talking about the tip being driven into itself, buckling and deforming, and creating a more blunt surface that continues to allow a chain reaction and compounding effect and thus produces excellent and reliable expansion.Gday petey308
Just clarification please
You are actually meaning the cavity has to open not crumple inwards in regards to your buckle statement
Sorry to be a pain just clarification as different interpretation of buckle or processes in my world as a buckle can go both ways
To others & petey308 do you guys clean the hp out with a small drill or has Berger fixed the issue that I found ( a few years ago ) gave the odd erratic results & once I drilled / cleaned them out they gave consistent results
Nice results people
Cheers
No, the newer hybrid designs have proven not to need any meplat widening or drilling of the openings.
The VLDs experienced a change in how the jackets were drawn and swaged to the cores and made the material in the ogive and tip thicker than the rest of the jacket. That created a lot of unreliability with expansion and widening or drilling the openings did/does help with those.
Perhaps the Bergers you had issues with were VLDs? The Sierra SMK and a few other similar designs from other manufacturers also tend to have reliable expansion issues without widening or drilling the openings in certain calibers. The TMK or other tipped versions was the fix for that for me.
The Berger hybrid designs have proven to expand very reliably and consistently though without a need to mess with the tips/meplats at all, which is great.
Hope that answers your questions.
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cohunt
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Maybe there was some mis understanding-- the coment was made about putting oil in the tip of the berger bullets for a vapor trail. As you know hammers are known for oil in the tip and vapor trails. I use burgers, hornady, nosler, hammers, ce, etc... I was just making a comment about the oil in the tip/vapor trail part, thats all-- wasn't trying to start another this vs that post
Yeah, my apologies if I misread that.
As far as the vapor trails and the oil… I've seen Hammers and others produce the vapor trails even when all oil removed. What is occurring is literally just water vapor in the air condensing as the bullet flies through the air. That's why you also sometimes do not see the trails with Hammers even when the oil hasn't been removed, because they were shot when/where there wasn't sufficient moisture in the air.
It's also my theory (until proven) that the reason Hammers tend to be more pronounced with this is due to all the drive bands they have that disrupt the airflow and produce the condensing vapor.
It's similar to when a fighter jet pulls a maneuver and disrupts the airflow and creates vapor off the leading or trailing edges of the wings (depending on angle of attack).
@orkan has a thread where he talked about the affects on group sizes he got with the Hammers he was running with and then without the oil. It only makes sense any liquid on the bullet would have an effect on stability, yawing, etc of the bullet as it's spinning and flying towards the target. Of course the oils will end up being flung out of the bullet as it flies due to the centrifugal forces and airflow over the bullet, but it would be gone pretty quick.
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Totally agree. I've tested them on probably 15 animals so far. Can't tell any difference from a 215 on performance
7mm 180gr Hybrid from a 7LRM @ 2900'ish fps. Hybrids crush them in certain offerings. However, you couldn't pay me to hunt with a 6.5mm 140 hybrid.
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Yes, it is not inherent to a specific bullet. Since @Barbourcreek post is on Berger, here are some examples.
Jeffrey Van Zandt
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215 is all I have use from the time Berger came out with them many moose,boos, bears ect all taken with one round and non went more the 20 foot from
Have you cut any 220 bergers in half to see the difference?
Stephen Prindle
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orkan, what's the issue with the 6.5 140's ? 140 Target hybrids shoot great in my rifle was considering the 140 Elite Hunter for hunting.
Stephen Prindle
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7mm 180gr Hybrid from a 7LRM @ 2900'ish fps. Hybrids crush them in certain offerings. However, you couldn't pay me to hunt with a 6.5mm 140 hybrid.
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orkan, what's the issue with the 6.5 140's ? 140 Target hybrids shoot great in my rifle was considering the 140 Elite Hunter for hunting.
