Texas made monolithic bullets ...

[greenejc]

Thank you for the recommendation. I did look into the .270 Gibbs, however I was a little more familiar with Ackley's line and went with the .270 AI. And.....presently with all that I have invested in the .270AI rifles, dies, and range time I couldn't afford going into another cartridge. I like what I get for performance out of the .270AI. For me it was built for whitetail deer hunting, however if I win the lottery it would be nice to go on a mule deer, antelope hunt.

I've thought about improving a 30-06 and both my Whelens. It would make more work for reloading, but I'm retired and have the time anyway.

 

[DNADave]

I used the 150 Plainsmasters in my kimber Montana 280 AI before selling the rifle. It shot very well at 57.8 grains of Reloder 17 behind a Win LR primer. OAL 3.300. Right around 2950 FPS Shot one bou with it and had no recovery but seemed to perform totally as expected. Straight through!

@WildRose turned me on to Peregrine bullets. Shot a whitetail with a 167gr plainsmaster out of my 300 Wby two years ago. Small entry and about a quarter sized exit. Looked like a quarter sized core sample was taken out on the exit. Deer dropped where shot. Happy with that performance and accuracy was really good. Only downside I have for them was the purchase process which relies on a distributor in New York having some already imported and the limited calibers and weights available for import.

As for this thread, I'm excited there is a new manufacturer in my home state producing a competitive product in this area. Looking forward to trying them once powder is more available.

I'm also hopeful @codyadams will try them and give us a report on game.

 

[AI338LM]

I did quite a few of them, you must have been napping.

The VLR4's and prototype VLR5's I shot were the best bullets overall I ever shot.

I don't care where you hit the critter, they are going to expand every time.

The only time I was ever able to recover any of them in game was on very large African Game and on a couple of huge boars nobody would believe were killed anywhere but a feedlot.

What I did recover consistently were the brass tips.

I was able to recover some that had passed through multiple hogs before stopping finally fired from the 6.5 LRM and 300 Rum, and I found a couple I was able to dig out of the hill side after shooting deer and hogs.

Not the highest BC's because they are monolithics but they got the job done for me everywhere, at any range, and on anything I shot with them.

Call the factory Direct in S. Africa and discuss your needs before coughing up the money as they are not inexpensive.

One thing I love about them is that they do have a cheaper target bullet that matches balletically the LR bullets so you can practice with them a lot less expensively.

 

[AI338LM]

I did quite a few of them, you must have been napping.

The VLR4's and prototype VLR5's I shot were the best bullets overall I ever shot.

I don't care where you hit the critter, they are going to expand every time.

The only time I was ever able to recover any of them in game was on very large African Game and on a couple of huge boars nobody would believe were killed anywhere but a feedlot.

What I did recover consistently were the brass tips.

I was able to recover some that had passed through multiple hogs before stopping finally fired from the 6.5 LRM and 300 Rum, and I found a couple I was able to dig out of the hill side after shooting deer and hogs.

Not the highest BC's because they are monolithics but they got the job done for me everywhere, at any range, and on anything I shot with them.

Call the factory Direct in S. Africa and discuss your needs before coughing up the money as they are not inexpensive.

One thing I love about them is that they do have a cheaper target bullet that matches balletically the LR bullets so you can practice with them a lot less expensively.

Have you shot the Warner Flatline target bullets? Muzzle velocity for the 180 grain version of the 30 caliber bullet is 3015 feet per second for my 30-06 Defiance Deviant action, Huber 2.5 lb trigger, XLR chassis, and 22 inch 10 twist Lilja barrel. Consistently shoots 0.5 inch groups at 100 yards.

 

[ButterBean]

I have read this similar sentiment a few times by people that hunt with low BC bullets, and I can't wrap my head around it. Even if your max self imposed range on game is 500 yards, why wouldn't you shoot the highest BC bullet you can? A stiff wind can move a bullet a material amount even at 300 yards. Shooting across canyons where you get swirling and inconsistent winds or even flat land where wind gusts can be 30 or 40 mph on a good day. Just seems silly to hunt with a low BC bullet when there are so many proven high bc hunting bullets on the market.

Do you still need to hold for the wind with your high BC Bullets ???? or do you just disregard the wind altogether ?

 

[snox801]

I have read this similar sentiment a few times by people that hunt with low BC bullets, and I can't wrap my head around it. Even if your max self imposed range on game is 500 yards, why wouldn't you shoot the highest BC bullet you can? A stiff wind can move a bullet a material amount even at 300 yards. Shooting across canyons where you get swirling and inconsistent winds or even flat land where wind gusts can be 30 or 40 mph on a good day. Just seems silly to hunt with a low BC bullet when there are so many proven high bc hunting bullets on the market.

Well for one within 500 yards the bc won't even matter it will just give you more drop off done with a heavier Bullet. Second crunch some numbers.
I for one was hung up in 147 eld for my creedmore because of the bc. After load work I ran the number against a load for the 124 hammers. And if I use both Bullets min FPS to open guess what they were very close. Close enough to not matter. When I shoot paper or steel yes I run higher bc for sure but I usually run out of FPS at about the same point because the higher bc has to start slower so I give up nothing but gain a fantastic killing bullet.
Now this isn't always the case but has been for multiple rounds I've run number on.

 

[ButterBean]

If everyone is so worried about shooting a high BC bullet why even screw around with anything other than a 50 cal, GSP why would you handicap yourself by shooting anything else ?

 

[snox801]

This is an educational piece and it isn't BS!!! FEENIX is a great guy who possesses a lot of information and he is a wealth of information. He's the one who got me started with the .270 Ackley Improved and helped me get into fireforming brass. Now the the educational part of this reply!! If one were to click on a person's profile, there's a drop down menu and just below the profile photo there's a box that reads, "IGNORE", and that's all there is to it!!! If someone decides they want to act like the "southbound end of a northbound horse" that is the easiest solution; and I have done with this guy!!! I call it earning the "ignore button" and.......it isn't worn on one's lapel!!!

This isn't about him as a person at all he is a great guy just a difference in opinions. Neither him or bfd have first hand experience to see if the claims are true so it's up in the air. I understand the skepticism from BFD though.

 

[ButterBean]

Well for one within 500 yards the bc won't even matter it will just give you more drop off done with a heavier Bullet. Second crunch some numbers.
I for one was hung up in 147 eld for my creedmore because of the bc. After load work I ran the number against a load for the 124 hammers. And if I use both Bullets min FPS to open guess what they were very close. Close enough to not matter. When I shoot paper or steel yes I run higher bc for sure but I usually run out of FPS at about the same point because the higher bc has to start slower so I give up nothing but gain a fantastic killing bullet.
Now this isn't always the case but has been for multiple rounds I've run number on.

He just talking to be talking now

 

[FEENIX]

This isn't about him as a person at all he is a great guy just a difference in opinions. Neither him or bfd have first hand experience to see if the claims are true so it's up in the air. I understand the skepticism from BFD though.

Nowhere did I claim any experience or draw any opinions about it.

 

[WildRose]

I don't agree. He made a statement that I dont totally agree with but I did not see it as a fight. I saw it as having some merit based on his background. I got roughly a similar response form feenix even after stating how I saw benefits to the bullet but finding some of it hard to believe. I've got a lot of respect for both you and feenix Here but even by his own standards he should never try anything but Berger and the high bc they carry.
I am a skeptic at heart and admitted that I would take a look at any bullet I think my fit for what I need. But left that thread a little dumbfounded that I shouldn't be able to be a bit skeptical of claims. Same as I was with hammer. It took a long time before I finally tried them.
Again I may be off base here Feenix which probably got started by quoting a post I may be should not have and just commented on my thoughts alone. I've been wrong many times in my life and I will gladly own them if my experience changes my opinion. That's all I am trying. To say in these threads is my initial opinion and thoughts nothing more so I'll leave it at this and move forward with productive conversation. Kinda went off the rails in a way I regret

Not as I see it. Berger has the best BC's and Data available, he likes High BC Bullets.

My interests differ somewhat in that I'm more interested in a bullet that shoots well at the ranges I hunt but my focus is primarily on Terminal performance rather than BC.

Feenix is open minded enough to keep looking and I give him credit for that.

I also cannot for a minute blame a guy for getting excited when he finds out there's a new premium bullet manufacturer right in his own backyard.

He and I seem to agree on one thing for sure, and that's that everyone shoot what they want and can be effective with in the field.

 

[WildRose]

I have to agree with you. I to really wish they had higher bc. I was more making a point about the other thread and should not have brought it to this one. I doubted some claims they made and he asked if I had had used them to see. I was just pointing out that he has the hammers but hasn't shot them would be the same as not having them. And the bc on the site could as we all know be just as much snake oil as other claims. Although if me was to sell snake oil for a bc someone forgot to tell hammer they should have made them much higher.
I'm all for these new pills if you look back I've jumped ship to a lot of new ones some do what they claim other fall a bit short but it's fun to play and find out.
These ones look great.

If I haven't learned much else here in over ten years I've learned that published BC's based on computer modeling don't generally hold up to well in the field.

I'm always interested to see the data taken from real world field testing and calculated back from there so I think they have the right approach.

Who knows, if he comes up with some bullets in weights I'd like to try I may very well do some testing on them and report back.

 

[adam32+P]

If everyone is so worried about shooting a high BC bullet why even screw around with anything other than a 50 cal, GSP why would you handicap yourself by shooting anything else ?

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

 

[WildRose]

My sincere apologies; you already know my best intentions. I got this email from Mark this AM.

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Tell them to get to work on something in the 180gr class if he wants to expand his market to serious medium and large game hunters and long range shooters.