Black gun rant

[7mmSendaro]

All I can say is I read GG's post and can find nothing offensive except the other guy's behavior. I own a black rifle and I'm not offended by his post. I have experienced the exact situation and was equally upset.

Except the post for what it is and get over all the stuff some are reading into it.

GG- I agree 100%.

 

[Pdvdh]

Hold her up fella's. I need to go grab a fresh bag of popcorn

Good for you! And your efforts to keep this light-hearted.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Nope, I said: "if we are playing "mine is bigger than yours" based on price tags.......I've got "black rifles" that make your $3000 custom look like a WalMart Savage....."

I wasn't proving that I "spent waaayy too much for an AR".......(I wasn't referring to my ARs) I was making the point that some "black rifles" cost more than all the equipment you had on all three benches combined......

You can claim that you weren't looking down your nose at the black rifle guys, but your post suggests otherwise......when you mention your "thousands of dollars worth of equipment that I doubt they could pay for".......your words tell the tale.....

Have a nice day!

Buzz, get your panties out of a wad, the price of the guns don't matter, we've established that, ok? So if the price don't matter, why does it bother you so much that he just states it was thousands of dollars worth of equipment. I own AR's (4 of them) but wouldn't dare shoot them on a public range where there were even a chance of brass hitting someone or they're property.
You can't blame GG for getting upset about it, they're weren't his guns but if they were damaged he would have to assume responsibility for it, nothing eliteist in the slightest about anything he's posted, seems to me your just nitpicking, maybe jealous about something?
I'm not well off, and my firearms are not much compared to alot of others's on this site, but I'd darn sure be ****ed if it happened to mine, the brass flinging from anothers rifle is the responsibility of the man on the trigger, yet many think its up to everyone else to deal with, in the legal terms, the brass are the same as bullets, the shooters are liable for it.
RR

 

[grit]

Well.... Most I can make of this conversation is some folks can really run a trigger. Others'd make a great place to hang a target.

 

[TheSollyLama]

You know, since I got to play with all the latest and greatest of military hardware from around the world while I was in the Army (I ran an SF arms room with as many foreign weapons as US)---I find that now while I think all the plastic guns are still neat and all, I prefer a classic hunting weapon.

I own alot of guns. But of that collection, only one is a 'military' gun and that's my SKS, which I not only hunt with, but took a small buck in TN with it one year (so much for them not being viable hunting weapons). I just prefer a well built piece, recently bought a Weatherby just because I've always had a fascination with them. I would much rather own a sniper quality rifle, and the skills to employ it, than a military type firearm anymore.

Not that I have anything against them. I just don't have a personal attraction to them other than the whiz bang factor anymore.

Being pinged with brass? Get over it. Go fire on an open pistol range and I promise you at least one hot case down your collar. Get a chuckle out of it, more than likely you'll get an embarrassed apology and meet someone that might be a really nice guy. Better, don't take up half a range- know that most every firearm made ejects to the right and plan accordingly- would help avoid offense.

 

[Buffalobob]

Well, if you were around special forces personnel then you certainly do not seem to be like most of them that I knew. The combat veterans were all very knowledgeable people and very courteous. I can not say the same for the REMFs but the vets were very nice and gentle people as long as they were allowed to be. I used to run the range on Saturdays for the 10 SFG rifle team when they would practice. Seems that they requested me because they knew if they let me fire a few rounds I would let them play around. I never remember as single one of them acting like you and saying that they were the only ones that mattered.

I shoot F-class at Quantico and a few months ago a guy complained the muzzle blast from my unbraked 308 was bothering him. I thought that was strange but I still moved up further so it would be less and got myself reset. Perhaps he had a headache or sinusitis, I do not know but I moved when he nicely asked me to.

It is people like you who seem to think that once you get to a range that what you do to other people doesn't matter. That all of the rest of us have to put up with your behavior The only thing that matters is what you want to do. That is what this whole thread is about. Rude and discourteous people.

So, if you bounced a piece of brass into somebodies $2,000 dollar scope and cut the lens would you would be willing to pay to have sent to the factory and have the lens replaced or would you do what you have just done and run your mouth and deny that there is a problem and claim it is other people's fault for even being at the range when you wish to shoot.

If you have no courtesy and expect the whole world to tolerate you then at sometime in your life you may sit down at a bench next to me and be surprised that there is no tolerance for your lack of courtesy.

 

[Pdvdh]

Seems like the stupidest place in the world to be rude, discourteous, pushy, and/or disrespectful is where everyone around you has a loaded weapon.

 

[TheSollyLama]

what we disagree is on what is actually 'rude' and what is the inevitible consequence of right hand ejecting weapons.

All I am saying is it happens. You can be childish and act like some high and mighty range god that has suffered some offence from the lower life forms, or you can be realistic.

Sounds like a case of pure snobbery to me. "how dare they intrude on my REAL shooting with their plinking and hot brass". That's just wannabe snobs at work. We share the range. Ask them to watch their brass- or.....spend your time whining on an internet forum that someone else dared share a range you were taking up about half of by your own admission.

Heck I shoot on the public range here- up the side of a mountain, with a few lanes to service everyone from hardcore hunters, townies that just cleared out a pawn shop, plastic gun bunnies, gangbangers, and everyone else. You get to a point of tolerance of your fellow man, warts and all.

Not that I don't have my pet peeves for a range. I just don't get on the net to whine about the people insisting on shooting pistols at targets 15 feet away- at the 100 meter range. Or people blasting the paint off the trucks parked with ear shattering muzzle brakes that pick the busiest time of day to unleash ear damaging volume on everyone. If I did find it so hard to be around other people enjoying themselves, I'd set up my own range somewhere.

As for brass taking out scopes and nonsense. Yeah, and what if......what if that other guy is really the target of alien abductions and their teleport beam warps your scope lens......about as likely.

See, I know hot brass down the collar sucks and all. But it's your tone that even made me want to reply to this thread. That high horse that only comes when someone totally dismisses someone else as less worthy for whatever reason. So they had high capacity weapons, high ejection angles- you could always move to another part of the half of the range you admit to taking up. When I am first on a range I have no problem taking up as much space as I want. But when others get there OUT OF COURTESY I pull up and give up space. If you could have been bothered to use less than half a range as your personal space, then shifting over oh, what, one lane would have put you out of harms way of evil falling brass and this entire thread wouldn't exist.

It's that simple really.

 

[edge]

I have a question for you folks that think that GG was wrong here.

You are stopped on the shoulder of a gravel road with your reasonably new truck, and you are glassing some antelope on public property.

1) A trucker rounds the corner and kicks up some stones that hit your truck;

2) Someone with a hot rod stops to see what you are up to, and when he leaves, he "burns out" kicking stones on your truck.

The results are the same, but the question is do you acknowledge that the "hot rodder" CAUSED this damage at least somewhat intentionally vs the trucker accidentally causing damage?

edge.

 

[Pdvdh]

See, I know hot brass down the collar sucks and all. But it's your tone that even made me want to reply to this thread. That high horse that only comes when someone totally dismisses someone else as less worthy for whatever reason. So they had high capacity weapons, high ejection angles- you could always move to another part of the half of the range you admit to taking up. When I am first on a range I have no problem taking up as much space as I want. But when others get there OUT OF COURTESY I pull up and give up space. If you could have been bothered to use less than half a range as your personal space, then shifting over oh, what, one lane would have put you out of harms way of evil falling brass and this entire thread wouldn't exist.

It's that simple really.

It sounds like you're trying hard to justify ejecting brass on others at the range when there is no justification and no excuse. Somebody using three benches doesn't excuse it. Someone having expensive equipment doesn't justify it. Someone taking up a bench for 60 minutes adjusting their gear doesn't give the green light. Nothing GG said or did in his post or at the range excuse it. As has been mentioned, you're responsible for your ejected brass.

You're telling us if we all agree to conduct ourselves as you believe proper at the range, then we won't create any problems for you (or range users who agree with you); problems that you (or range users who agree with you) could point to as a justification to eject your empties on others at the range.

And you're inferring that when the semi-autos start to unload their brass on others, that we're obliged to leave our bench to make room for them. How about them being responsible, or patient, or whatever it takes to understand that they're responsible for their weapon and damages or injuries they cause with it, such that they ensure their use of the range doesn't physically affect other range users.

I don't see this much different than what happened to a guy I knew that while fishing, hooked an adjacent fisherman in the scalp. The hooked fisherman got identification from the guy that hooked him, went to the hospital to have the hook removed, called his lawyer and pressed for financial compensation. The fellow who hooked the adjacent fisherman in the head... his insurance company agreed that he was liable and compensated the fisherman that got hooked. It didn't matter if the guy he hooked was standing 2 feet away or 15 feet away. He was responsible for his hook ending up in the other guy's scalp. No excuses. No justifications. It required a cash payment to compensate for the hospital bills, pain & suffering, lost opportunities during a vacation, and whatever else the attorney dreamed up. You can throw out excuses until you turn blue in the face. Your brass hits someone in the eye, you'll most likely be found responsible by a judge or jury of your "peers" in this country. And your opinions to the contrary won't mean a thing. The only opinions that will matter are a judges, or the majority of a jury (in spite of buzzgun's feelings about majority opinions, they do matter.) So if you're gonna carry an attitude to the range, at least make sure your homeowner's insurance is paid up.

 

[goodgrouper]

It sounds like you're trying hard to justify ejecting brass on others at the range when there is no justification and no excuse. Somebody using three benches doesn't excuse it. Someone having expensive equipment doesn't justify it. Someone taking up a bench for 60 minutes adjusting their gear doesn't give the green light. Nothing GG said or did in his post or at the range excuse it. As has been mentioned, you're responsible for your ejected brass.

You're telling us if we all agree to conduct ourselves as you believe proper at the range, then we won't create any problems for you (or range users who agree with you); problems that you (or range users who agree with you) could point to as a justification to eject your empties on others at the range.

And you're inferring that when the semi-autos start to unload their brass on others, that we're obliged to leave our bench to make room for them. How about them being responsible, or patient, or whatever it takes to understand that they're responsible for their weapon and damages or injuries they cause with it, such that they ensure their use of the range doesn't physically affect other range users.

I don't see this much different than what happened to a guy I knew that while fishing, hooked an adjacent fisherman in the scalp. The hooked fisherman got identification from the guy that hooked him, went to the hospital to have the hook removed, called his lawyer and pressed for financial compensation. The fellow who hooked the adjacent fisherman in the head... his insurance company agreed that he was liable and compensated the fisherman that got hooked. It didn't matter if the guy he hooked was standing 2 feet away or 15 feet away. He was responsible for his hook ending up in the other guy's scalp. No excuses. No justifications. It required a cash payment to compensate for the hospital bills, pain & suffering, lost opportunities during a vacation, and whatever else the attorney dreamed up. You can throw out excuses until you turn blue in the face. Your brass hits someone in the eye, you'll most likely be found responsible by a judge or jury of your "peers" in this country. And your opinions to the contrary won't mean a thing. The only opinions that will matter are a judges, or the majority of a jury (in spite of buzzgun's feelings about majority opinions, they do matter.) So if you're gonna carry an attitude to the range, at least make sure your homeowner's insurance is paid up.

Right on Phorwath. I don't understand why people like the sorrylama can't read for one thing and also defend discourteousness and lack of safety. It seems like a simple thing to respect others property and safety but some folks just can't handle it.

Regardless of what these ignorant people say, I know and they know that if I were to show up with a brass slinger and spit brass at them and their equipment, they wouldn't like it either no matter what they say here in the comfort of their own little internet world. Face to face, I hope they would act a little more grown-up. If not, I would send them home and as range officer, I would have the law on my side to do so.

 

[jwp475]

There were fewer rude people a few decades ago, because rude behavior was not tolerated and it was a good way to get your running lights punched out...

Watch Lonesome Dove, and Capt. Call's quote rang true in the day "rudeness in a man, just wont tolerate it". Capt. Call made that statement after justly and thoroughly kicking a rude mans ***

 

[wadedc]

I used to really enjoy this site.

 

[shootinfool]

I was at the range one time last summer and had a similar experience. I got there and took one of the open benches that were available and started shooting. While I was shooting a couple of guys came and went on both sides of me. I was just concentrating on sending a round down range at a target and all of the sudden I got hit right in the side of the face, while I was in process of shooting, by a hot-hot piece of brass that got ejected from a guys gun that sat two benches to the left of me. It pizzed me off so badly I got up and gathered up all of my stuff and tore out of there like nobody's buisness. The bad thing was, I felt bad about it because of the way I reacted. I don't like getting hit in the face with anything, let alone a hot piece of brass and not to mention when I am in process of shooting. A little courtasy can go a long ways in keeping somewhat of a peaceful state at the range.