30-06 over 308

[QUOTE="Wolf01, post: 1975278, member: One over the 06 in my opinion is 264 wm.
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Hate to jack this thread but am curious why?

I have both. Just got the 264 WM a month ago. I've been shooting 06 for decades. I recently downsized its bullet to 150 Accubond from a series of 180's over the years. The 150's shoot sub moa groups at well over 3000 fps and up to 3150 with RL16. I'm planning to load 130's for the 264 WM.

Thanks for any insight shared.
 
[QUOTE="Wolf01, post: 1975278, member: One over the 06 in my opinion is 264 wm.

Hate to jack this thread but am curious why?

I have both. Just got the 264 WM a month ago. I've been shooting 06 for decades. I recently downsized its bullet to 150 Accubond from a series of 180's over the years. The 150's shoot sub moa groups at well over 3000 fps and up to 3150 with RL16. I'm planning to load 130's for the 264 WM.

Thanks for any insight shared.
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I've almost as much time with 264 as 3006. I just love both of them and the 264 shoots flatter and faster. I do love an 06.
 
Come on!

we are all rifle loonies! we KNOW how this will go .....

you have some .308s, you WILL build the perfect rifle in .30-06 and before its completed you'll be dreaming of and planning out your .300 Win Mag and by the time you get a good load worked up for the '06, you will be collecting the components for the next build....

and this time next year you'll be posting "I've got .308, .30-06, .300WM and .300WSM, I'm planning a .25/7mm/6mm/6.5mm build what stock/action/barrel/mounts/scope/trigger should I get.... etc etc etc etc..... "

have fun! shoot good!

Poole
(right now, my browser has 4 open tabs on Gunbroker pages and 6 open to gunsinternational pages.... its a disease, there is no known cure....)
so true, you will always want another rifle. but it's like buying stocks or bonds. firearms are investments that bring pleasure and put meat in the freezer
 
That's what I'm trying to keep in mind also thanks for your input
The 30-06 can be found anywhere. I have found it in Macedonia. The 300 WinMag can be found nearly anywhere, too. I have all three .308 caliber rifles, 308 Win, 30-06 and 300WM. I like all three cartridges, but if I had to choose only one, it would be the -06. I load bullets ranging from 165gn up to 200gn in the -06, and have chronographed the rounds along with the .308 and 300 with the same bullet weights. The -06 is generally at least 150fps faster than the .308, and that's in a 22" barreled -06 and a 26" .308. I gain about another 50 to 70fps in my 24"03A3. Barrel life is quite a bit better with either the .308 or the 30-06 than it is with the 300 WM., and the -06 is much easier on the shoulder than the magnums of any stripe. This afternoon, I loaded about 180 -06 rounds for testing, using Hodgden's Superformance powder, pushing a 168 grain AMax and a 200 grain Sierra Gameking. I tested a slightly milder Amax load on Friday in a 22" Ruger M77MKII and shot a 5 shot 100 yard group into 0.8 inches in a 10 mph full value crosswind, gusting to 15 mph. Velocity for this load chronographed around 2850 or so. I already get 2600+ from the 22" rifles with the 200 grain Speer or Sierra, and 2650 to 2670 with the 24" 03-A3, which is all I need to anchor an elk out to around 500 yards. If you want the 300 WinMag, its a really good round, too. I'd go with it before I did the 300 WSM but that's just me. The WSMs are bad on barrels, though. As to the Remington 700 long actions, they're very good, extremely easy to accurize and true, very strong, and they can easily be made to feed any of the short magnums, along with any of the .308 family of cartridges. The Army actually uses the M700 long action in the M24 rifle with the 7.62 X 51 cartridge. They did this so that they could convert existing rifles into more powerful cartridges like the 300 Winmag rather than buying new rifles. You can buy the Remington 700 Longrange in 30-06 (26 inch light varmint barrel) and watch the Gunwerks videos on how to accurize it and it will stay supersonic far past 1100 meters(approx. 1200 yards) with the right loads and projectiles. Hammer bullets makes some .308 bullets in heavy for caliber weights that can be launched in the -06 at velocities that will match the 300 WSM and be just below the 300 winmag with much lower recoil. If you reload, and you're going to have a build done, you might think about an Ackley Improved 30-06 with a 1 in 8 or 9 twist. Its easy to handload, you fireform your brass by shooting standard 30-06 (which means if you lose your ammo, you can buy ammo at the local store and shoot it anyway) and it can be loaded to put a 180 grain round down range at nearly 2900fps from a 24 inch barrel, and your brass lasts for at least 10 reloads(more if you anneal it every third loading). Recoil with this round is still noticably less than any of the magnum .30s, too.
 
The 30-06 can be found anywhere. I have found it in Macedonia. The 300 WinMag can be found nearly anywhere, too. I have all three .308 caliber rifles, 308 Win, 30-06 and 300WM. I like all three cartridges, but if I had to choose only one, it would be the -06. I load bullets ranging from 165gn up to 200gn in the -06, and have chronographed the rounds along with the .308 and 300 with the same bullet weights. The -06 is generally at least 150fps faster than the .308, and that's in a 22" barreled -06 and a 26" .308. I gain about another 50 to 70fps in my 24"03A3. Barrel life is quite a bit better with either the .308 or the 30-06 than it is with the 300 WM., and the -06 is much easier on the shoulder than the magnums of any stripe. This afternoon, I loaded about 180 -06 rounds for testing, using Hodgden's Superformance powder, pushing a 168 grain AMax and a 200 grain Sierra Gameking. I tested a slightly milder Amax load on Friday in a 22" Ruger M77MKII and shot a 5 shot 100 yard group into 0.8 inches in a 10 mph full value crosswind, gusting to 15 mph. Velocity for this load chronographed around 2850 or so. I already get 2600+ from the 22" rifles with the 200 grain Speer or Sierra, and 2650 to 2670 with the 24" 03-A3, which is all I need to anchor an elk out to around 500 yards. If you want the 300 WinMag, its a really good round, too. I'd go with it before I did the 300 WSM but that's just me. The WSMs are bad on barrels, though. As to the Remington 700 long actions, they're very good, extremely easy to accurize and true, very strong, and they can easily be made to feed any of the short magnums, along with any of the .308 family of cartridges. The Army actually uses the M700 long action in the M24 rifle with the 7.62 X 51 cartridge. They did this so that they could convert existing rifles into more powerful cartridges like the 300 Winmag rather than buying new rifles. You can buy the Remington 700 Longrange in 30-06 (26 inch light varmint barrel) and watch the Gunwerks videos on how to accurize it and it will stay supersonic far past 1100 meters(approx. 1200 yards) with the right loads and projectiles. Hammer bullets makes some .308 bullets in heavy for caliber weights that can be launched in the -06 at velocities that will match the 300 WSM and be just below the 300 winmag with much lower recoil. If you reload, and you're going to have a build done, you might think about an Ackley Improved 30-06 with a 1 in 8 or 9 twist. Its easy to handload, you fireform your brass by shooting standard 30-06 (which means if you lose your ammo, you can buy ammo at the local store and shoot it anyway) and it can be loaded to put a 180 grain round down range at nearly 2900fps from a 24 inch barrel, and your brass lasts for at least 10 reloads(more if you anneal it every third loading). Recoil with this round is still noticably less than any of the magnum .30s, too.
Ugh...Paragraphs please.
 
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Okay In the spirit of friendly argument lets open this can of worms all the way. First, let me say I am an 06 fan. It is the Jack of all trades, Scottsdale pickup truck of the gun world. That said, I think the 308 is a more efficient cartridge as well as the 300WM on the other side of it. There is a reason the US military choose the 308 over the 3006 and still use it as their primary sniper rifle along with the 300WM. There is also a reason most competitive bench rest shooters for years have chosen 308 based cases rather than 06. You can push a 220gr 308 at 2500-2550fps again about 100 to 150 fps less with far less powder. On the other side of that the 300WM can push a 215gr berger at 2850 and stay supersonic beyond a mile. This is what I run in my personal gun, a 27" sako, shoots 1/2 moa @ 100 and 1/3-1/4 moa to 1250. Those are the averages of a 10shot group at varying yards with more than 300 rounds through the gun. Anything an 06 can do a 308 can do almost as well and more efficiently and a 300WM can do significantly better. Because the original poster ask if he should consider an 06 when he already owns two 308's I said no but to consider a 300WM. In full disclosure 300WM is my personal favorite do it all long range big game cartridge and the one I own now is one of the most accurate I have ever owned. Again just my opinion and experience.
As being a former military DM the only reason we chose the 308 was because it was available. It was not because it was the best.
 
If memory serves me correctly , the youth shooting the Elk in the video is the son of Aaron Davidson , founder of Gunwerks , and the young man is shooting a rifle in 7 LRM (7mm Long Range Magnum) , which was shooting the 180 gr. bullet at 3150 FPS.
7 LRM has larger case capacity than a 7mm Remington Magnum .
You can check with Gunwerks to verify the cartridge .
I have the video. It was just a stander 7 MM Rem Mag. 3025 FPS 180 Berger Bullet 26" Barrel. Retumbo powder.
 
The new hammer bullet just changed all that.

If it's new, how can it change whatever it is that has changed, so drastically without any real statistical data, compared to everything else presented here over years of experience? Maybe Elizabeth Holmes can answer...🥶
 
If it's new, how can it change whatever it is that has changed, so drastically without any real statistical data, compared to everything else presented here over years of experience? Maybe Elizabeth Holmes can answer...🥶
There's actually a lot of data on the Hammer bullets. Their design allows significantly higher velocities with the same powder charges along with lower overall pressures, and due to the lower pressures, charges can be increased significantly for more efficiency and velocity. I like them, I just can't afford them very well.
Yes sir. It was an honor.
I thank you, too. I don't know how long you were in, but I know intimately where you were. I was there, too. Welcome home, welcome home, welcome home.
 
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