Remington reputation

[buck5611]

What do you tink of Remington company. Do you think that its reputation remain high over the years? Do they make gun as good as in the past? I read that Remington reputation was rapidly dropping in the US but find this hard to beleive.

 

[rtv900]

I think they have had a good rep of making a quality gun for the hunter. In the past they have always made a good rifle and they have made some of the most reliable shotguns out there. The shotguns are still great. The rifles are of great quality. They have made some cheeper rifles over the last few years but they have had to in order to compete in some price points. If you are looking for quality you will find it at Remington in both off the shelf guns and custom shop guns. Just remember quality always comes with a price. If you are willing to pay you will find it.

Recently I have received a couple of custom shop guns from them and I think they are producing a better product than in the past. I have been thrilled with their quality.

 

[Boss Hoss]

Just my experience but the one Custom Shop rifle I have owned had to go back to Remington twice. Now regretfully I just build them the way I want them. The upside is that all of my rifles esp. the sporters shoot at BR or almost BR accuracy and consistency..

 

[goodgrouper]

What do you tink of Remington company. Do you think that its reputation remain high over the years? Do they make gun as good as in the past? I read that Remington reputation was rapidly dropping in the US but find this hard to beleive.

I have watched Remington's quality control slide downhill at an astonishing rate over the last 10 years. The bean counters are strangling the company's better judgement. Once upon a time, they had benchrest shooters running the shop and quality was great. I always like to work with 700's from the 80's and early 90's.

 

[sniperVLS]

All my rifles are from Big Green and I don't see that changing unless I get a .338 from Shawn *ahem*. They are all excellent shooters, all are of the heavy barreled variety and all have their stock triggers which I lightened. I will say that I love the new Xmark trigger. Breaks 100 x cleaner than the old trigger, no creep at all out of the box. I don't have any Jewels or anything to compare with so in this case, ignorance may indeed be bliss LOL.

You'll come across a few lemons, when you pump out as many models as they do, it's guaranteed. like GG said, their QC has slipped, I've heard 2 many stories to say they aren't true but *Personally*, the 14 rifles I've had from them since the early 80s to present have ALL been excellent, I'm sure someday I will come across one I'm not happy with but I'll have the others to fall back on. I must say I am blown away by the cheaper models they have and how accurate they are considering the cheap *** stocks they ship with. I got a SPS Varmint for 550.00 a month ago and it shoots as good or better than any of my other 700s that cost twice as much. The H-S police stock arrives Friday finally but even with that *** it came with, I'm getting 3/4" groups at 200 off a bipod with cheapo American Eagle 150 FMJ, shooting with a frozen finger in temps of 25 degrees.

Their shotties are still my favorites as well. A day after I picked up the SPS-V, I saw a 870 OD green Tactical they had hanging for all to see. I've been eyeing one of those for 2 years and never got around to ordering it. Needless to say, it came home with me and I couldn't be more pleased. I have four 870s in the safe and love them all.

I apologize for my appearance, I was especially fugly on this day at the range

 

[EddieHarren]

Rem Rep

Goodgrouper, I don't know how many Rem 700 actions that you have worked on recently. I have been in the business of building rifles on mostly Rem actions for nearly 20 years. I used 722, 721, 600, XP-100, 7 and 700 actions for builds ranging from BR Hunter class rifles to LE tactical sniper and counter sniper rifles, as well as many hunting rifles both big game and varmint. Sometime in the last 3 or 4 years the quality and tolerences on Rem actions has gotten noticably better. I have been told that they went to newer CNC machinery. I don't have any proof that they went to new machinery but I know that the latest actions are closer to square and concentric than ever before.

 

[James Jones]

I agree with Eddie on the actions being better specs , I have seen a few realy bad barrels though , I think that if they would go to button rifled barrels like Savage they would be second to none in the factory class.

The 260 I had built bt SSG was an old action and he said it was one of the worst he had seen for out of square.

 

[GSoD]

When I started looking for my first long range precision rifle last year I was instantly drawn to Remington for their heritage of producing precision rifles for LE and the military. And then I read all the stuff about their recent decline - particularly with quality control and triggers.

I'm no expert and only half informed but all I know is that I couldn't be happier with my 700P. Finish is great, trigger breaks nice, and out of the box it shoots better than I do.

 

[goodgrouper]

Goodgrouper, I don't know how many Rem 700 actions that you have worked on recently. I have been in the business of building rifles on mostly Rem actions for nearly 20 years. I used 722, 721, 600, XP-100, 7 and 700 actions for builds ranging from BR Hunter class rifles to LE tactical sniper and counter sniper rifles, as well as many hunting rifles both big game and varmint. Sometime in the last 3 or 4 years the quality and tolerences on Rem actions has gotten noticably better. I have been told that they went to newer CNC machinery. I don't have any proof that they went to new machinery but I know that the latest actions are closer to square and concentric than ever before.

Most of the problems I have seen have been in the barrels. However, there have been a frequent amount that have not been drilled and tapped straight, and I have worked on several lately that even after installing 20 minutes into the rings, the bullets were still landing low at 100 yards--sometimes going below the target board. This problem has several causes but the barrel not being threaded into the receiver straight is usually the main reason.

Then there are less than 10%(guessing) that make contact on both locking lugs and if they do, it is just partially.

Then there's the new trigger. ***. They have already heard of many stories of triggers going off prematurely when it is cold outside. I have seen two of these personally so far.

Then there is the dropping of their LSS (they still offer it but only in 257 Wby) model with the laminated stock. So now we have to buy either a Sendero with the HS stock or a Tupperware XCR, SPS, SPS stainless, or a wood stocked CDL sf. So basically, we have the choice of the HS or nothing.

Then there is the heavy bead blasting on the SPS which looks like dung from a yak which simply is easier to use because it covers blemishes easier.

So we have a low priced, Tupperware stocked, non straight threaded, non contact making, bad trigger, bad barreled, gun we have to use windage screw bases and Burris inserts just to get it dialed in at 100 yards! Then we rip off all that bad crap, install better components and wind up with a gun that actually costs MORE than a custom rifle when we're finished. Of course, not all Remmy's are as bad as I explained. But how do you know which ones aren't? You just have to cross your fingers and hope you get a good one. Back in the day, your odds were better of getting a good one. That is all I'm saying.

 

[J E Custom]

Buck

My take on Remington is about the same as every one else,They
make a good product for the money and most of the time they
shoot right out of the box.

The quality problems that I have seen have been minor(Bedding screws
to short,poor fitting stocks, poor crowns ETc) But have seen the same
thing with other brands also.

The plus side to the Remingtons is that they make a great rifle to biuld
a custom on because of the design of the action.

Most custom actions are clones of the Remington 700.

My favorite factory actions to build accurate rifles on are the Remington
700 and the Weatherby MK five. because they respond well to bedding and
Blue printing.

Just my 2 cents
J E CUSTOM

 

[vonb]

I have a circa '88 Remington 700 ADL and a circa '05 Remington LTR. The ADL is a much smoother action that's finished better. The LTR action looks to have the camming off due to the way the bolt handle cams against the receiver. They LTR however is one of the most accurate rifles I own...Some say it due to its stiff 20" barrel. I'll buy a Remington to use as a factory gun but refuse to build a custom off of a 700 action. There are too many custom 700 style actions to choose from for a custom build to fool with truing a factory action. For a custom action, give me a Surgeon for a tactical rifle and a Borden for everything else.

 

[buck5611]

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

[JD338]

I'm a Remington guy. It seems to me that they have made several poor decisions by limiting their product offerings. Example being when they stopped making the Sendero and LSS models and there was a market for these rifles.
The current selection of models is nice but it would be much better if they offered more calibers in these models.
As for quality, I own several 700's and I have never had any problems. They all shoot under MOA with handloads. Also, the triggers are easy to work on and my understanding is that the new trigger is even better.

JD338

 

[goodgrouper]

and my understanding is that the new trigger is even better.

JD338

NO! Beware this trigger! WHen it gets cold this trigger can fire upon closing the bolt. It is not the same trigger and there are no good aftermarket triggers that will fit as of yet. Your stuck with it unless you like Rifle basix.

I do, however, like the allen screws replacing the slot screws. But that is the only improvement.