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I cast 1000s of bullets/year. Never failed a lead test. Lots easier to pass a chunk of lead than a copper shard. Then again. I don't eat lungs.
Hammer hype?
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Rich Coyle
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I don't understand "lead test". What is it?
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It's a blood test to check for blood lead levels. Mostly used to test ghetto children for lead from lead paint that tastes good. (not kidding)
Rich Coyle
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Thanks
No lead in my state, much less my steak, either.
it will be that way every where one day
UplandFreak
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I have seen you mention that before - I laugh everytime I see it. I have been eating lead shot birds and game for years and never had a problem.
Is this really a thing?? Are people getting sick and dying because they eat animals killed with lead bullets?
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So in past threads Ive read you recommending a 6.5 Creedmoor for LR elk to folks, do you really have any experience with that either?
I believe I know a thing or two about how wind can effect a lower BC bullet. I have to train guys on a weapon system that fires a 175 grain Matchking with an average velocity of under 2600 fps to make one shot kills to at least 800 meters (875 yards). That's at sea level, not at 10k where you hunt.
You act like it's not feasible. Well maybe it is for some.
Buddro
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They have found statistically significant and hazardous amounts of lead in the blood of people who hunt before. And to be scary it has to be stated in those vague terms.
The main study I am aware of done in a village (I believe it was Norwegian?) where people were eating birds killed by shotgun 7 days a week. They did have elevated levels of lead and it was dangerous but not to an extreme extent. There was no mention that I can remember of rampant birth defects or any other symptoms of lead toxicity in the village. Emphasis on rampant, I believe there were symptomatic people just not tons of them.
The main real world cause for concern over the use of lead has more to do with the carion birds and scavengers who do eat lung. Because that rhetoric wouldn't sell the people who are concerned for the well being of these animals strongly push the story line that hunters will surely poison them selves eating the 1 or 3 big game animals they may be lucky enough to harvest each year. For many western hunters often it's more like the 1 animal they may be lucky enough to draw a tag for every few years.
I'm not opposed to use of non toxics in fact I am very interested in them that's why I am still following this thread. Nor am I saying there is anything wrong with not wanting to eat lead at any level, just that no body is gunna dangerous amounts of lead from big game hunting. It's been a few years since I looked for studies on the subject, there may be some new ones out.
The main study I am aware of done in a village (I believe it was Norwegian?) where people were eating birds killed by shotgun 7 days a week. They did have elevated levels of lead and it was dangerous but not to an extreme extent. There was no mention that I can remember of rampant birth defects or any other symptoms of lead toxicity in the village. Emphasis on rampant, I believe there were symptomatic people just not tons of them.
The main real world cause for concern over the use of lead has more to do with the carion birds and scavengers who do eat lung. Because that rhetoric wouldn't sell the people who are concerned for the well being of these animals strongly push the story line that hunters will surely poison them selves eating the 1 or 3 big game animals they may be lucky enough to harvest each year. For many western hunters often it's more like the 1 animal they may be lucky enough to draw a tag for every few years.
I'm not opposed to use of non toxics in fact I am very interested in them that's why I am still following this thread. Nor am I saying there is anything wrong with not wanting to eat lead at any level, just that no body is gunna dangerous amounts of lead from big game hunting. It's been a few years since I looked for studies on the subject, there may be some new ones out.
Rich Coyle
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My honest opinion you don't know what it's doing to you. Neither do I so I will stay away.
No, lead poisoning from eating reasonable amounts of game is not a real thing. I did review the studies (anything to not watch the news) and couldn't find anything other than the aforementioned Norwegian study. With possession limits, no one is eating birds shot with lead every day.
There is a lot of writing out there that implies the opposite, but all I could find was written from a theoretical point of view while championing non-lead bullets.
Next it will be copper poisoning.
There is a lot of writing out there that implies the opposite, but all I could find was written from a theoretical point of view while championing non-lead bullets.
Next it will be copper poisoning.
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I've never used Hammers and doubt I will. I already have bullets that shoot accurately and are deadly on game. It's funny how these poor B.C Hammers are so popular here being a LR Hunting site.
I'm not saying the Hammers wouldn't work as well but the cost makes me not even want to try them.
I'm not saying the Hammers wouldn't work as well but the cost makes me not even want to try them.
UplandFreak
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I shoot a 260, and a 6.5 PRC and a 300 RUM among others. My son shoots a 6.5 creedmoor. How many elk have you killed with anything? Are you saying we should start using matchking bullets on game because thats what what are military has chosen to use in combat? I am not sure where you are going with this - i don't like hammer bullets and will never use them. If you are saying there are people who are good enough at reading wind to get perfect hits with at 800 meters with low BC bullets, you are right. I am saying there are better options. You can shoot whatever you want at whatever you want, including elk at sea level with hammer bullets.
I have killed elk with a 243, 25-06, 260, 300 rum, 300 wby, 7wsm and 7rm. I guess thats the benefit of growing up with them in your back yard - I have never believed that they are bulletproof and frankly I think the 1500ft lbs of energy " requirement" to kill them is a joke. As long as I live in a free state I will never shoot a mono bullet again - been there done that was not impressed. I use bergers and eldx and if I die from lead poisoning so be it
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UplandFreak
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You better not watch the movie Dark Waters about Dupont and how they have poisoned everybody with Teflon - you will lose your mind.
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