New project!! .30 LR Rifle

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To much bolt thrust and not enough metal in the bolt nose for any margin of safety. The 30 Sherman does it all IMO and fits your action better, a 30 Nosler is also great.
Remember that for the 300 Norma, I should buy the .590 version of Bolt Face. You mean there is little thickness left on the bolt walls that hug the case head?
I agree, I think the balance is slightly tilted towards 30 Sherman, from 30 Nosler I don't know much, I should investigate further.
 
This is very hard to beat for your intended purpose and the rig you're running. It will be a single shot but that doesn't hurt you at all.

I went with a 30 nosler in a 26 in barreled hunting rig. I wanted a repeater with heavy vlds but ample horsepower. The 30 does it well. I'm running the 230s at 2900 and need to get back out there for a little fine tuning. I'm getting .5-.7s at 300 yards right now.

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What powder are you using?
 
How about stepping outside the box Barrett has a short .50 in .416 neck that down to .338 and shoot 300-grain bullets at 4000 FPS. Only if money is available in large quantities I think BAT may be able to supply you with the necessary action I have one of their actions for .284 WIN They do nice work. We are building a short action bullpup. I am working on a small version now it will be in 5.7x28 built on a Remington XP-100 built with a custom Pacific tool and gauge bolt. They do nice work too. I think Kreiger can supply the barrel for the short .50. I have been kicking that around for a while DO NOT THINK I WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT LEVEL OF RECOIL YET. Just my ideas.

Ron Syre
 
30 nosler is as good as any. but bang for the buck 300 wm will win every time. and will shoot as good as anything.. I know the 300 wm is not an ideal design- a freak of design but it works so very well.. I do not own a 300 wm. for long range i shoot a 6.5/06 in a 25" bbl. and a 140 ab at 3020.
Currently, in the 300win the 220gn ones come out at 2750/2800 max on one of my rifles. I don't think I can get to 3000ps which was the initial goal. I like the cartridge, and have several rifles on that chamber, but I wanted to try a new cartridge with a little more HP
 
300 Norma fits nice in the CZ magnum action for a LR hunting rifle.

The 700 action probably fits the RUM, 30 Nosler ( throated long), 300 PRC etc without a boltface diameter mod much better.
good data about the action CZ magnum, but I want to keep the remy action that I currently have.
The ship is oriented towards the 30 sherman or the 30 Nosler, because I can practically use what is available. In this way, I can test the performance of these cartridges, and if they do not convince me, I can change to the bigger ones.
 
Please give us your thoughts on parts ect !!
I like your way of thinking !! I'm playing with a parts build from Lrh members right now in 300 Rum . So far it likes 230 bergers and N-570 !

Rum Man

parts list for me for a LR hunting RIG would be
BAT HR SINGLE SHOT
MANNERS EH1A CARBON
28" HELIX 6 hunter plus CARBON 1-9 TWIST
TT DIAMOND
ATLAS 5H BIPOD
The 300 RUM without a dought is the best available commercial/non commercial round made on a mag bolt face.
you get a 113 -115gr water capacity depending on brass!! what other cartridge does that on a mag bolt face?? That's why so many people hate it 😂😂😂 hell it makes "super efficient" wild cats have to run 80k PSI to get close 😁 !! which in turn is hammering on your action and you wont know it until your action is ruined!!

There will and always be 300 RUM haters and that's fine, I like that! I personally will continue to reap the benefits of its larger factory case, factory ammo in droves, brass made from every manufacturer, no silly fire forming for no beneficial gain, brass life as good as any mentioned etc, etc, etc.!! Hell it was made in the late 90's and dudes are still trying to out do it and they just cant stand old tech whoopin em!! 😁

When H1K @65-70K psi( my absolute favorite) is used it will be the king as well as any other powder you throw at it for that matter,, there is no replacement for displacement!!!! PERIOD!!! Remember one can run any case at extreme max and get good accuracy and scorching velocity 75K plus,, but most consistent and extreme low ES comes from a few grains below max!!
So this is where the large case cap comes in. You can lope along a 245 berger @3000fpsi with extreme accuracy low ES and repeatable ELR accuracy from day to day with no stress, where others are strained, using high nitroglycerine content powders! ha ha also when a speed claim comes with a max and then followed by ""But i wouldn't suggest running that"" be afraid LOL!!!
Can it be made in a wyatts CFE9 Of course and They work very very well and they feed spectacularly have for many years ... but in this case where your dedicating a rifle with an 1.250 straight tube 32" for a strict LR rig weight is your friend so add it on, that's why i suggested the single shot throating for the bullet to be outta the powder column and all that jazz! Oh and even when the bullet is in the case a little bit it will still outperform them when all variables are equal!
The 220 Hornadly ELD X sits above the neck shoulder junction @4.003" but i would suggest eyeing the new 245 Berger and the big sierra, when you start reaching sub sonic you'll see the benefit of the more streamlined berger/sierra. Trust me you can load a round pretty dam fast in a Single flipper if needed!!
Compare all rounds with same powder say H1K and you"ll see the clear winner! you cant throw TNT in one and a blasting cap in the other and call it a fair comparison!
All of the "more efficient coined rounds" seam to always have to run a double based powder to attain these "efficient" velocities and are dirtier than hooker on Fremont street! many a 300 rum, 338 edge, 338 ultra with 800 plus rounds of h1k never cleaned and still consistent low ES and scary accuracy out there!!

always fun to play with new rounds, hell im guilty of a crap ton of used once reamers!! but i will always have a 300 rum in the safe!! or TWO 😁
 
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How about stepping outside the box Barrett has a short .50 in .416 neck that down to .338 and shoot 300-grain bullets at 4000 FPS. Only if money is available in large quantities I think BAT may be able to supply you with the necessary action I have one of their actions for .284 WIN They do nice work. We are building a short action bullpup. I am working on a small version now it will be in 5.7x28 built on a Remington XP-100 built with a custom Pacific tool and gauge bolt. They do nice work too. I think Kreiger can supply the barrel for the short .50. I have been kicking that around for a while DO NOT THINK I WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT LEVEL OF RECOIL YET. Just my ideas.

Ron Syre
This you are proposing is a brand new rifle, and what I am looking for is to use what is available, as I mentioned at the beginning, buy a new barrel and go.
The numbers you speak in relation to speed are from another planet, truly amazing!!! :D:D
 
parts list for me for a LR hunting RIG would be
BAT HR SINGLE SHOT
MANNERS EH1A CARBON
28" HELIX 6 hunter plus CARBON 1-9 TWIST
TT DIAMOND
ATLAS 5H BIPOD
The 300 RUM without a dought is the best available commercial/non commercial round made on a mag bolt face.
you get a 113 -115gr water capacity depending on brass!! what other cartridge does that on a mag bolt face?? That's why so many people hate it 😂😂😂 hell it makes "super efficient" wild cats have to run 80k PSI to get close 😁 !! which in turn is hammering on your action and you wont know it until your action is ruined!!

There will and always be 300 RUM haters and that's fine, I like that! I personally will continue to reap the benefits of its larger factory case, factory ammo in droves, brass made from every manufacturer, no silly fire forming for no beneficial gain, brass life as good as any mentioned etc, etc, etc.!! Hell it was made in the late 90's and dudes are still trying to out do it and they just cant stand old tech whoopin em!! 😁

When H1K @65-70K psi( my absolute favorite) is used it will be the king as well as any other powder you throw at it for that matter,, there is no replacement for displacement!!!! PERIOD!!! Remember one can run any case at extreme max and get good accuracy and scorching velocity 75K plus,, but most consistent and extreme low ES comes from a few grains below max!!
So this is where the large case cap comes in. You can lope along a 245 berger @3000fpsi with extreme accuracy low ES and repeatable ELR accuracy from day to day with no stress, where others are strained, using high nitroglycerine content powders! ha ha also when a speed claim comes with a max and then followed by ""But i wouldn't suggest running that"" be afraid LOL!!!
Can it be made in a wyatts CFE9 Of course and They work very very well and they feed spectacularly have for many years ... but in this case where your dedicating a rifle with an 1.250 straight tube 32" for a strict LR rig weight is your friend so add it on, that's why i suggested the single shot throating for the bullet to be outta the powder column and all that jazz! Oh and even when the bullet is in the case a little bit it will still outperform them when all variables are equal!
The 220 Hornadly ELD X sits above the neck shoulder junction @4.003" but i would suggest eyeing the new 245 Berger and the big sierra, when you start reaching sub sonic you'll see the benefit of the more streamlined berger/sierra. Trust me you can load a round pretty dam fast in a Single flipper if needed!!
Compare all rounds with same powder say H1K and you"ll see the clear winner! you cant throw TNT in one and a blasting cap in the other and call it a fair comparison!
All of the "more efficient coined rounds" seam to always have to run a double based powder to attain these "efficient" velocities and are dirtier than hooker on Fremont street! many a 300 rum, 338 edge, 338 ultra with 800 plus rounds of h1k never cleaned and still consistent low ES and scary accuracy out there!
good arguments elk .... you made revive the Rum, they were winning the other options.
Like you, I love the H1000 for many reasons, but above all, the excellent speed and precision you achieve with low pressures. I have several pounds of H1k.
You mention that with 800 shots and without cleaning anything, you maintain excellent ES / SD and precision ...., now, how many more shots do you think it can handle before it starts to degrade? This data is important to estimate.
Thank you for your comment, I consider it really valuable.
 
If I was in your shoes I would go with 1 of the following 3 cartridges

300 PRC
This one would be the easiest and cheapest. You could use an off the shelf saami reamer, ADG Brass without fireforming, and have factory ammo availablity in 212 ELDx and 225 ELDm. Seems like I see a lot of people running 3000 with 225s in 26" barrels so 230 Class Bullets would probably run 3000 in the 32" pipe you mentioned pretty easily.

30 Nosler
Essentially identical performance to the PRC but would need a custom spec'd reamer to run properly with the 230+ bullets. ADG brass is also available. This case would also allow slightly shorter COAL with any given bullet seated at the Neck/shoulder junction.

30 Sherman Mag
This case requires locating the reamer but it seams there's some smiths that have them or you could easily buy one from Rich. This also requires fireforming 300 PRC or Rich's headstamped brass, requiring a little more effort than the other two, but you gain some case prep advantages. That said, both the PRC and Nosler are well designed cases and shouldn't have too much more bolt thrust or case stretching. Performance seems to be 100+ FPS faster than the other two. I think I saw where someone ran a 245 Berger up to over 3000 with best accuracy at 2950 in a post the other day. Pretty impressive.

Regardless of the choice between those three, I would go with at least an 8.5 twist barrel and stick to your idea of 30"+ barrel. All three will easily run as a repeater in either a Wyatt's box or 3.85 CIP 300 Wm DBM. COAL on all three should be no more than 3.8" with the longest of bullets.
 
If I was in your shoes I would go with 1 of the following 3 cartridges

300 PRC
This one would be the easiest and cheapest. You could use an off the shelf saami reamer, ADG Brass without fireforming, and have factory ammo availablity in 212 ELDx and 225 ELDm. Seems like I see a lot of people running 3000 with 225s in 26" barrels so 230 Class Bullets would probably run 3000 in the 32" pipe you mentioned pretty easily.

30 Nosler
Essentially identical performance to the PRC but would need a custom spec'd reamer to run properly with the 230+ bullets. ADG brass is also available. This case would also allow slightly shorter COAL with any given bullet seated at the Neck/shoulder junction.

30 Sherman Mag
This case requires locating the reamer but it seams there's some smiths that have them or you could easily buy one from Rich. This also requires fireforming 300 PRC or Rich's headstamped brass, requiring a little more effort than the other two, but you gain some case prep advantages. That said, both the PRC and Nosler are well designed cases and shouldn't have too much more bolt thrust or case stretching. Performance seems to be 100+ FPS faster than the other two. I think I saw where someone ran a 245 Berger up to over 3000 with best accuracy at 2950 in a post the other day. Pretty impressive.

Regardless of the choice between those three, I would go with at least an 8.5 twist barrel and stick to your idea of 30"+ barrel. All three will easily run as a repeater in either a Wyatt's box or 3.85 CIP 300 Wm DBM. COAL on all three should be no more than 3.8" with the longest of bullets.
How does the Sherman outperform the other 2 by 100+fps? How is the prc nearly identical to the 30 Nosler? Not sure what I'm missing, but I'd love to see the numbers to prove it when they are all throated properly.
 
How does the Sherman outperform the other 2 by 100+fps? How is the prc nearly identical to the 30 Nosler? Not sure what I'm missing, but I'd love to see the numbers to prove it when they are all throated properly.
Figure it out like everyone else!!
 
good arguments elk .... you made revive the Rum, they were winning the other options.
Like you, I love the H1000 for many reasons, but above all, the excellent speed and precision you achieve with low pressures. I have several pounds of H1k.
You mention that with 800 shots and without cleaning anything, you maintain excellent ES / SD and precision ...., now, how many more shots do you think it can handle before it starts to degrade? This data is important to estimate.
Thank you for your comment, I consider it really valuable.
To each their own but i feel cleaning is a waste of time unless accuracy degrades.. if your burning dirty powder like VV RL IMR enduron etc. things change fast and will need adjusted.
Merica!!! ha ha hell we can do what we want ha ha they are all fun and that's what is so great about all cartridges!
 
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