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[777guy]

Go to the Nosler site to read the detailed info about creation of this new ammo and the performance data.
Quite impressive. I'm a fan if the 270 caliber, but this takes it to a new level!

 

[DJ Fergus]

I've loaded for and shot a great many calibers & cartridges at distance. Within 300 yds, you won't notice a huge difference when talking medium game. When shots start getting on out farther, the wind is not your friend and can cause a miss or nonleathal wound. 180s out of my 300 wm was lightning fast killers but the couldn't begin to beat the wind like 180s out of a 7mm. Move up to 230s in the 300 then they will hang with 7mm 180s but recoil of the 230s will then require a much heavier rifle or much greater shooter skill to manage that recoil enough to make accurate shots. Bryan Litz has an article posted on line somewhere on this very subject matter comparing 30 cal to 7mm with these very same statements. I didn't have to hear it from Bryan to believe it as I have experienced it for myself.

 

[Huntz]

6.5PRC necked up to 7MM would almost be a 7MM SAUM.Any gunsmith who builds rifles can use any available 7 mag cartridge to be able to shoot heavy for caliber bullets seated out to take advantage of the case capacity.I don`t think a new 7MM cartridge is needed.Just sayin,Huntz

 

[jpndave]

I'm also not a 7mm lover but I have no good reason besides having had a 270 first. But if I'm being rational, objective, not sentimental, the 7mm is a much better choice today than the .270 because the crippling 1:10 twist rate that dictates there are no true high B.C. 270 bullets that can be used in standard off the shelf inexpensive rifles that hold a candle to what the 7mms have. There's nothing magical about .007 of an inch difference, but that twist rate gets the final say. And if I'm being honest I think anything a big 30 can do ballistically a big 7 can do with a lot less recoil while still being big enough (the difference to my perception of effectiveness between .26 and .28 bores is much greater than the real world difference between 28 and 30s - if I had to start all over I'd probably do the logical thing and get a big 7 of some kind - but I've grown very attached to my .270 win and .300 win mag so that's not gonna happen!)

And there it is! Well said. I too started with a 270 almost entirely thanks to Jack O'Connor and the rags of the day. 0.007" more doesn't have some magical quality it simply allows use of a much broader choice of bullets .277 vs .284. Kind of have the same thing going from .257 to .264. If the .277 and .257 bullets were available rather than the .264 and .284 I would be looking at those.

And to the 308 argument add this...

I've loaded for and shot a great many calibers & cartridges at distance. Within 300 yds, you won't notice a huge difference when talking medium game. When shots start getting on out farther, the wind is not your friend and can cause a miss or nonleathal wound. 180s out of my 300 wm was lightning fast killers but the couldn't begin to beat the wind like 180s out of a 7mm. Move up to 230s in the 300 then they will hang with 7mm 180s but recoil of the 230s will then require a much heavier rifle or much greater shooter skill to manage that recoil enough to make accurate shots. Bryan Litz has an article posted on line somewhere on this very subject matter comparing 30 cal to 7mm with these very same statements. I didn't have to hear it from Bryan to believe it as I have experienced it for myself.

I'm not going to argue that the 30 cal stuff would likely do it "better" but I don't want to get kicked that hard or have to carry a heavy or heavily braked rifle. To each there own. The 7mm has an appeal to me as a large enough, nicely balanced rifle.

 

[jpndave]

Go to the Nosler site to read the detailed info about creation of this new ammo and the performance data.
Quite impressive. I'm a fan if the 270 caliber, but this takes it to a new level!

I hadn't seen that. The new 165gr ABLR with that cartridge is going to be pretty impressive.

 

[Calvin45]

Go to the Nosler site to read the detailed info about creation of this new ammo and the performance data.
Quite impressive. I'm a fan if the 270 caliber, but this takes it to a new level!

Thanks so much for sharing this!!! Made my day. I emailed nosler last summer about the possibility of any .277" rdf bullets and they said "unless someone develops a long range .270 cartridge it's not likely to happen". Awesome. I want a 27 nosler now. Is it better than a 26 or 28? Probably not, don't care, I like the 270s because I just do, and we don't need to explain our choices in regards to our gun preferences beyond that do we? Thanks again.

 

[Johnslam]

I'm guessing Hornady didn't release a 7mm PRC because the .284 class is flooded with chamberings...it would be doing nothing new that hasn't been done for decades. For a 7mm there is really no reason to go with a wildcat when there are so many factory offerings that can accomplish anything your heart desires. I know they aren't "cool and new" or have fancy names but they will get the job done just as well.

IF you want a wildcat 7mm I would look hard into a 7mm Hart or 7mm/300 Winny. They can accomplish everything without having to use non-existent N570.

That could be said for every new cartridge anyone comes out with.

 

[highdrum]

150 gr Accubond
3300 fps @ muzzle
3638 ft/lbs @ muzzle
500 yd drop 28.3" using
a 200 yd zero.
I want one of these!

Think I like about this case the most is the neck is the 330 long neck. Maybe someone just needs shorten one these to 2.3" and have a 40° shoulder. Capacity should be 87+-, wait......im just describing the 7mm blaser mag rogue improved. It's already been done. @Scouter has one, or did anyways. This is the exact case the OP is desiring.

 

[freddiej]

I'm also not a 7mm lover but I have no good reason besides having had a 270 first. But if I'm being rational, objective, not sentimental, the 7mm is a much better choice today than the .270 because the crippling 1:10 twist rate that dictates there are no true high B.C. 270 bullets that can be used in standard off the shelf inexpensive rifles that hold a candle to what the 7mms have. There's nothing magical about .007 of an inch difference, but that twist rate gets the final say. And if I'm being honest I think anything a big 30 can do ballistically a big 7 can do with a lot less recoil while still being big enough (the difference to my perception of effectiveness between .26 and .28 bores is much greater than the real world difference between 28 and 30s - if I had to start all over I'd probably do the logical thing and get a big 7 of some kind - but I've grown very attached to my .270 win and .300 win mag so that's not gonna happen!)

I agree the factory 1:10" twist barrels are decent, but are inadequate for the newer slugs out there.. if you go to some of the barrel manufacturers (bartlein, Hart, Kreiger, bergara, McGowne, and a couple others) they have 1:8" and 1:7" barrel twists available. also Berger and Barnes make slugs more Ballistically efficient.. Berger has 150, 160, 165, and 170 grain VLD's that are awesome. the 150 grain Barnes is too long for the 1:10" and awesome in a 1:8" twist. I have used them. the 140's from Berger work better in 1:8" twist barrels. I too own multiple 270's 2 wins and 2 WSM. I truly love ****ing off the 7MM cult. the 7MM cult refuses to see the 270 as anything but a ancient slug. I know how many 7MM have failed when my 270 did the job. so the 7MM cult can kiss vital parts of my anatomy. I am 50 years old and have never once ever seen a 7MM or 6.5MM that could out perform my 270 until the RUM and the STW. those two cartridges are just faster.. not better. in the late 1990's I built a gun/wildcat 270 off the 7R/M case. it had a bit less recoil than the 7MM R/M shot better and performed better than any 7R/M that I came across. it has a 1:8" twist from Hart. 0.625" muzzle and never failed to take down an Elk when the 7MM cult rifles did.
My other go to cartridges are my 300 W/M (1:8") and my 338 Win Mag with a 1:7" barrel. The 338 W/M tosses 300 Grain VLD's down range quite well and makes the 7MM and 6.5MM people look like ignoramuses. so why on God's green earth should I fall into the 6.5 MM and 7MM cult's way of thinking? I've looked at the 6.5 and 7 MM cartridges as if I did not own my 270's, 300's, 338's (W/M and Lapua). I still would have gone with the 338's, the 300's and the 270's..
you spoke of recoil. I have shot more than my share of 7 R/M's, they have such bad recoil. I have shot a few 7MM RUM's more recoil than anyone wanted to take. I have shot the 6.5X55, the 6.5-06 (okay this one thrilled me), then the 6.5 Creed (worked over 260 Rem), then the 6.5 Gren (cool AR cartridge), then we have the 6.5-284 you can have it.. I do not like it. I have given the 7MM's and the 6.5MM's their chance to change my mind.. they didn't.. pretty much end of story.

 

[degreen]

Ok. I was thinking the 7prc and 28prc being possibly different names for the same not yet real cartridge. 6.5prc necked up to 7mm.

6.5 PRC is based I believe on the 300 Ruger Compact Magnum necked down.

 

[777guy]

6.5 PRC is based I believe on the 300 Ruger Compact Magnum necked down.

I forgot to mention twist is 1:8.5".

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

Just look at how long the 27 Nosler took before it came to be.

I strongly doubt Hornady would make a 6.5 and 30 PRC just to skip the 7

 

[vegas steve]

I shoot a 7 rem mag with the 183 smk using retumbo,and clear 3100 fps with an 8 twist 28" barrel.rings steel just fine

 

[David Emerson]

Wow... let me first apologize. I was stating what I thought was few words to a point. Maybe if I elaborate a bit thin skin will heal up and feathers will un-ruffle.
I shoot partitions too. Just not at distance. Read into that if you like but they lack BC compared to those intended for long range (long range hunting.com). They also require more velocity to perform well than most chamberings have left at distance.
For clarity, the 195 is one of the bullets I am referring to. It is certainly not the only "long slippery bullet". Sorry for the offensive manner I used.
I brought up this thread to get information and consider logical, helpful points from from other informed enthusiasts, thank you for your input

Noted. I am a little jumpy about throating a rifle for just one bullet. Let,s assume for a minute that the shank on a 195 is 3/4 inch. I do not know how long it is but for illustration purposes. 7 mag neck approximate 1/4 inch long. If you throat for a 1/4 inch freebore that would leave only 1/4 inch down in the case. BUT if you want to run a shorter bullet now it is not a problem. The bullet down in a 1/4 inch would cause you no problem whatsoever. You would give up a little speed compared to the shank at the base of the neck but not enough to argue about. And now you can shoot lighter bullets too.