Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore

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My bad, I will lay the sarcasm on thicker next time. Good explanation though. I will add that BC doesn't mean a ---- thing out to 500 yards.
Pretty fair statement on the BCs. Seems like out about 500 yards I can shoot my 160 Nosler partitions in same holes as my 162 amax using the same MOA in my 284 without seeing much difference. Some but nothing that wouldn't be a PBR kill shot on a deer size animal.
 
I have never been able to stabilize a 150 Berger out of a factory .270 barrel. Tried it in 3 different guns. The 170s will be impossible. You will definitely see instability at 100 yards with this recipe. If I remember right I could get 5" groups. Step down to the 140 Berger and they shot sub MOA. The 150's are too long.
Never tried any of the Berger's in my .270. It's an autoloader so no sense anyway. Gotta believe your findings tho. There pretty long bearing surface calls for a faster barrel.
 
Was only responding to the thread that the 6.5 creedmoor does not out perform the .270 at 500 yards when all things are equal. I don't consider the same bullet weight for each cartridge equal. Some obviously do. With some bullets, the 6.5 offers better energy and velocity. At some point beyond certain ranges it also outperforms it. Just not in every case. I think the word better is subjective. Better for what at 100 yards ? We all know a deer shot thru both lungs is a dead deer. I guess i was making the point that the creedmoor isn't the super hero many think it is. The 6.5 Grendel is an awesome round for it's size as well. The 6.5 Creedmoor sits between it and the .260. Was designed to be a little shorter with a longer neck to fit in magazine fed rifles without restriction. It's an accurate round with limitations like most. That's hard for some to hear but it is what it is.
If you read my other post I shoot the 264 Winchester and have a 6.5-06. If we were comparing rounds then wouldn't it seem fair to say the 6.5-06 out performs the 6.5 creedmoor.. Uses the 270 case. Or 30-06 or 25-06 parent case. The only thing the 6.5 creedmoor has going for it over the 270 is bullet selection.
 
The 6.5/06 wins hands down to the .270 win without a doubt. Regardless of bullet weights.
If they would explore making better .277 bullets with higher B.C. Then the 270 Winchester would smoke the 6.5 creedmoor.
 
If they would explore making better .277 bullets with higher B.C. Then the 270 Winchester would smoke the 6.5 creedmoor.
Likely won't see that happening. Not enough interest for any bullet company to invest in that idea. Actually surprised Berger did it. Good thing they did before they were bought out. It wouldn't happen today.
 
Hornady is the only company that MAY eventually explore that thought. If they did, it would have to be a Hornady .277 designed cartridge like the Creedmoor. Something they will get the full press on and be a win, win for them.
 
Likely won't see that happening. Not enough interest for any bullet company to invest in that idea. Actually surprised Berger did it. Good thing they did before they were bought out. It wouldn't happen today.
I think you might be wrong as people are getting more and more into long-range shooting. Hopefully they will. Most people wouldn't know how to use it anyway. Mabe something for me to look into. I like experimenting with things like this like a new challenge. I make a lot of my own projectiles. This would be a challenge but could be fun swag on the Corbin press.
 
If they would explore making better .277 bullets with higher B.C. Then the 270 Winchester would smoke the 6.5 creedmoor.
When berger announced the release of the 170 EOL bullet, my mind went to having a barrel spun in a 7-8 twist and necking up or down the 26/28 Nosler. Hell, with a 28" barrel, pushing the 170s at 3400+ should be easy. It basically came down to how many GOOD LR bullet offerings exist for the .277 bore ? The LRAB is inflated so much that the .713 published number is actually .56 and that's in a 7 twist tube. The Berger's .625 is borderline decent for an LR round. The 170 could be 180 if someone played a bit with some secant designs. Hopefully your right. Not that it's needed but the .277 deserves some more spotlight.
 
When berger announced the release of the 170 EOL bullet, my mind went to having a barrel spun in a 7-8 twist and necking up or down the 26/28 Nosler. Hell, with a 28" barrel, pushing the 170s at 3400+ should be easy. It basically came down to how many GOOD LR bullet offerings exist for the .277 bore ? The LRAB is inflated so much that the .713 published number is actually .56 and that's in a 7 twist tube. The Berger's .625 is borderline decent for an LR round. The 170 could be 180 if someone played a bit with some secant designs. Hopefully your right. Not that it's needed but the .277 deserves some more spotlight.
Liked your post. The one you responded to earlier was supposed to say look at the energy at a 1000 yard. The 270 was over 1000 FPE the 6.5 creedmoor was 800 FPE about something like that at 1000 yards. The 270 would be the better killer at that range. Not that it wouldn't take more elevation and more wind. But the kill power was much better.
 
I have never been able to stabilize a 150 Berger out of a factory .270 barrel. Tried it in 3 different guns. The 170s will be impossible. You will definitely see instability at 100 yards with this recipe. If I remember right I could get 5" groups. Step down to the 140 Berger and they shot sub MOA. The 150's are too long.
WHAT, I've been shooting 150gr hunting VLD's for years to 800yds with a standard twist 10 barrel at 1000'. 4.5" 800yds groups seem stable to me.
 
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names they look up in Google to sound like they might have some intellect. You don't.
I never had one but a friend of mine did...don't remember if it was Toyota or Nissan that made em.
 
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Even at sea level its stable in 10 twist. WY02K had a load issue, not a stability issue if he had a 10 standard twist.
 
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