OK, My turn on the 6.5 Creedmoor

[MudRunner2005]

Mudrunner2005....So...where does the nut behind the trigger fall into that equation?
I have seen some awesome rifle builds, that could not hit Aunt Sally's --- ( and Sally was a BIG girl) - because the fella holding the firearm was just that. Not a "shooter"....I have a couple of 6.5CMs, and I like them - but will not hunt elk with them. I prefer my trusted .300WM.
I think the 6.5CM is a fine round, within the rules of physics . Maybe inherently given to being an easier round to be accurate with than some. Is that all the round? No. Is that ALL the rifle...? nooo. Is it ALL the shooter....no...but I think they all three pay a role.
Magic..? Only when I hit the bullseye

If you go back and read post #13, you will see where I mentioned the shooter. And the person loading the ammo's abilities both being contributing factors, along with the rifle itself.

 

[the hunter]

I really wish President Trump would look into hiring Hornady's marketing team for a re-election campaign... those guys are brilliant.

Do not let Hitllary know

 

[Buano]

I would only add that everything being written about the 6.5CM could also be said of the .260 Rem — if only Rem supported it with more load choices when it was introduced. Sadly the 6.5CM has now pushed the .260 Rem almost completely out of the marketplace.

 

[MudRunner2005]

The Creedmoor(s) are all about the chamber (SAAMI spec)and how it works with the cartridge. It's like having a custom dun up rifle that you get off the rack at the local sporting goods store down the street. You can't say that for most other cartridge/rifle . View attachment 121304 You can call it marketing BS if you want's to but, you can't have that kind of marketing success without your product working as it does, across multiple platforms, without fail. When the American Gunner bulk, makes .5-.75 100yds groups in an PSA10 1st GEN AR, SAV 10 BA Stealth, SAV LRP, even a SAV 26" take-off I put on a 10FP action and they shoot, I done drank all that dam kool-aid!

Please sir, can I have some?!

Exactly right. That's why I said I have no problem with the cartridge itself, or it's design...Although, personally, I prefer a 40º shoulder, but that's personal preference. Like I stated, it's the magical properties that it seems to have acquired spread amongst the shooting community that ****es me off. Direct misinformation creates its own psyop over time...It's just the nature of it. If someone directly spreads bullcrap, and someone not in the know believes it, they will tell someone else, they will tell someone else, and it spreads like wildfire, and if people start hearing it enough, they will believe it's true, even if it's the furthest thing from it. That's why I prefer to deal in reality and truth. I admit when I have bias, and explain my reasons why I hold that particular bias. The 6.5 CM itself has no hatred from me. It's what its become in the minds of the uneducated and newbies that frustrates me so.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I would only add that everything being written about the 6.5CM could also be said of the .260 Rem — if only Rem supported it with more load choices when it was introduced. Sadly the 6.5CM has now pushed the .260 Rem almost completely out of the marketplace.

Yep... Remington was 10 years too early (1997), and 1 moron too stupid to hold onto a good thing. When they originally axed the .260 Rem, it was the single dumbest decision they have ever done. Because, not more than a couple years later was the 6.5CM invented (2007) and blew up the market. If Remington hadn't have been stupid, everyone would all be singing the praises of the .260 Rem instead of the 6.5 CM.

Also, if they had the success of the 6.5CM, but with the .260 Remington, I doubt they would still be $600+ Million in debt...

 

[25WSM]

The 6.5 creed is an amazing cartridge compared to most. Out of the box rifles with factory ammo shooting well under 1/2 inch. I've built 6 of these and 2 of them with factory hornady shot under 1/4 inch. I built 3 for 1000 yd compatition at Williamsport. Very competitive. I personally shot in the 3s for a ten shot group in compatition in light gun. I did this with 147 elds. Martin and I both won group and score in our relays with it. One note to share. The small primer pocket in cold weather really did not do well. The SD was terrible. I checked the velocity difference between large and small in the cold and the large primer was 75fps faster. Most of my 1000 yd loads have an SD of 5 or better. With either primer in the summer. If you hunt with this Don't use the small primer. My small primer test showed both cci primers the same speed and the federal 205 match was 10fps faster with better SD. I know this was a ramble but fact is I don't think you can buy a more accurate cartridge in factory rifles with factory ammo. Just like the first post said it's so easy it's boring. But boring just means it's so dang consistent reloading wise it's no challenge at all. Because it's so boring I'm not competing with it this yr. I'm switching to the 6bra. At least I get to fiddle around with it some. Shep

 

[jeff1965]

The Creedmoor(s) are all about the chamber (SAAMI spec)and how it works with the cartridge. It's like having a custom dun up rifle that you get off the rack at the local sporting goods store down the street. You can't say that for most other cartridge/rifle . View attachment 121304 You can call it marketing BS if you want's to but, you can't have that kind of marketing success without your product working as it does, across multiple platforms, without fail. When the American Gunner bulk, makes .5-.75 100yds groups in an PSA10 1st GEN AR, SAV 10 BA Stealth, SAV LRP, even a SAV 26" take-off I put on a 10FP action and they shoot, I done drank all that dam kool-aid!

Please sir, can I have some?!

 

[jeff1965]

Yep... Remington was 10 years too early (1997), and 1 moron too stupid to hold onto a good thing. When they originally axed the .260 Rem, it was the single dumbest decision they have ever done. Because, not more than a couple years later was the 6.5CM invented (2007) and blew up the market. If Remington hadn't have been stupid, everyone would all be singing the praises of the .260 Rem instead of the 6.5 CM.

Also, if they had the success of the 6.5CM, but with the .260 Remington, I doubt they would still be $600+ Million in debt...

I just got done explaining the same thing to my son.

 

[coop2564]

It's a misnomer, there is no such thing as "inherent accuracy". There are better designed cartridges that produce more velocity, are more efficient, and have a more stable design that is less picky, but there is no such thing as inherent accuracy. The cartridge has nothing to do with accuracy...The rifle does.

A whole lot of us sure got lucky with a whole of different make guns! At some point, it becomes something other than luck, even if you cant explain what that something is! Thats why it's called magic!

 

[MudRunner2005]

A whole lot of us sure got lucky with a whole of different make guns! At some point, it becomes something other than luck, even if you cant explain what that something is! Thats why it's called magic!

Ok, it must be magic........ And the earth is flat, 9-11 wasn't an inside job, we really went to the moon, and we live in a geocentric universe...

 

[jasonco]

"We can love completely, without complete understanding."

 

[coop2564]

Ok, it must be magic........ And the earth is flat, 9-11 wasn't an inside job, we really went to the moon, and we live in a geocentric universe...

I cant speak to those no experience there. But my 6.5 cm is by far the most accurate gun ive owned. Magic included!

 

[MudRunner2005]

I cant speak to those no experience there. But my 6.5 cm is by far the most accurate gun ive owned. Magic included!

I've had 2 .308 Wins that shot/shoots .1xx" 1-hole groups on common occasion, and averages .25x" 5-shot groups. One factory, one custom. One with handlodas, one with factory match ammo. I wouldn't say that there is something magical about the 6.5CM, I would just say that some rifles are simply more accurate than others, and technology is helping to improve this for factory rifles of all brands. It helps when you have only 1 reamer standard, and all factory rifles seem to stick to this reamer print specs when chambering their rifles. That helps a lot.

One got stolen, I still have the other one.

 

[tmmcampbell]

Mmmm your son listens? Must be over 30.