I'm on the 264 Win Mag bandwagon for life! I'm thinking I need a bumper sticker that says "264WinMag Life"
Here you go; available as either a window decal or a t-shirt. You're welcome.
I'm on the 264 Win Mag bandwagon for life! I'm thinking I need a bumper sticker that says "264WinMag Life"
Yep. I used to run 70 in mine. Backed it down to 69.3 nowWell that doesn't mean much to me when 63.5 grains is a starting load in both 264's I've had.
Yes I think people forget. When the 264 was released the factory 140 grain bullets were rated at 3200fps and the factory 100 grain bullets were rated at 3700fps.Yes, but back to my original statement that the prc was designed to push a 140@ 3000fps. Davidson's words not mine. If you want to use lawyer proof online load data, a pile of cartridges are essentially useless.
I'm just making real world comparisons, the 264wm was designed to push a 140 well over 3000fps which it does.
The only correct answer is that there was no commercially available 6.5 that could compete with the .264wm at the time. It has only recently been equalled or exceeded in performance with the 26 Nosler and the 6.5 PRC gets close.
If someone would simply neck down the .375 Ruger and give it a cool name like the "6.5 Ultra" and produce it commercially it would easily be exceeded and be an immediate commercial success with the right marketing. Winchester should have jumped all over it.
My 6.5 LRM will push 140's at a comfortable 3400fps and the additional few grains gain with the sharper shoulder and shorter neck from a straight 6.5-375 Ruger should give you 100-150fps more without any pressure problems.
IF/when I shoot the LRM out I'll probably do just that myself.
It's just a necked down 7LRM. I bought it from a fellow poster here. The dies are 7lrm hornady custom bushing dies with smaller bushings. Necking the 7LRM brass down is no problem.Please tell us more about your 6.5 LRM, dies, reamer ?? Brass ?
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Remington doomed the 6.5RM to obscurity with short, slow twist barrels that made it basically a varmint/short range deer cartridge.When Winchester came out with their belted 2.50" case series in 1958. 458 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag. and 264 Win Mag. There was a lot of writing about the 264 WM, The ballistics of the 264 WM was based on the new Model 70 Western with a 26" barrel.
I bought a Rem in 264 WM 24" barrel in 1965 shortly after returning from the US ARMY. It shot good with 100gr. to 140 gr bullets available at the time. My favorite bullet to shoot for S&G was the old Herter's 6.5 mm 130 Gr. RN. The bullet was designed for the 6.5 Europe mil surplus rifles of the era. When taken to 264 WM velocities it turned groundhogs heads inside out. Blew several groundhogs into 2 pieces. It loved the H4831 surplus Paper Bag 75 cents a lb. + shipping powder of the era. I sold it. But never got to replace it with the custom rifle I planned to build.
The old 6.5 that I considered was the 6.5 Rem. Mag. It is a more efficient and less barrel burning round than the 264 WM. It was sort of the parent of the new WSM and Rem. SAUM of around 2004 era.
I planned a custom rifle years ago in 6.5 Rem. Mag. Wilcox improved. Like many factory loads they have a 25 degree shoulder angle for dependable feeding from the magazine of factory rifles. My friend, Gunsmith Chuck Wilcox, Had a drawing for a 6.5 Rem. Mag. Wilcox Imp. reamer with 40 degree shoulder and less body taper. We never got to build it, Mr. Wilcox was killed in a freak accident before the rifle became a reality. RIP Chuck.
Lake City will be making .300PRC now due to the DOD contract. Imho this is a best case scenario. This is solely for a precision weapon mfg by Barret. Not like the 300/338 norma which they were trying to make a machine gun with alsoIt's just a necked down 7LRM. I bought it from a fellow poster here. The dies are 7lrm hornady custom bushing dies with smaller bushings. Necking the 7LRM brass down is no problem.
He was running high pressure loads with Retumbo which I don't like so I tried RL 26 and RL 33. I had to pretty well guess but a friend here ran the numbers for me on QL and got me to a safe starting load.
It's a Model 70 LA with a 27" barrel.
If I were going to start over though I'd just go with a straight 6.5-375 Ruger with the shorter neck, longer shoulder angle, and greater capacity.
When I shoot the throat out of this one I'm hoping there will be enough room to set it back a few turns and go straight to the 6.5x375.
As popular as the cartridge is and all the wildcatting being done off of the case it's a cinch that sooner rather than later we'll be getting brass from better sources. I've already talked to several manufacturers that said they were considering and/or working on it.
I tried just necking down .375 Ruger brass with .338RCM and .300RCM dies which seemed like a great idea but it ends up crushing/crimping the shoulder.
I'm talking to another custom die maker to see what we can come up with. Essentially the first step needs to be lengthening the OAL by squeezing down the taper and pushing the neck forward to get the shoulder angle and diameter changed and then to start stepping down the neck diameter.
Remington though has been blowing it pretty consistently now since the 60's and there have been a whole lot of changes in the board and ownership over that time.Lake City will be making .300PRC now due to the DOD contract. Imho this is a best case scenario. This is solely for a precision weapon mfg by Barret. Not like the 300/338 norma which they were trying to make a machine gun with also
https://www.shootingillustrated.com...tt-to-produce-mrad-rifles-in-300-prc-for-dod/
As far as Remington goes just look who is on the board. Add in the fact that the name of the parent is translated to Hound of Hades and it would explain alot
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=139449
I have a 700LA with mag face that will be in some form of that caseby this time next year
Check out GIBrass.com for H870.Sadly I have not shot my 264 WM very much since H870 disappeared. I know there equivalent and slower burning powders out there but they just don't do what H870 did in my rifle, and I'm tired of spending money trying to achieve the same velocity/accuracy combination that H870 gave.
The cartridge I'm talking about has actually been around since 1958. It's a 7mm rem mag case necked down to 6.5 caliber....