How Does the 300 Win and 30 Nos. Compare

[Timber338]

I have no love for the 26 or the 33 but the 28 and 30 are hitting just the right balance.

Are your thoughts here that the 26 is too overbore while the 33 is just not enough, too close to the 338 win mag?

 

[bigngreen]

Are your thoughts here that the 26 is too overbore while the 33 is just not enough, too close to the 338 win mag?

The 26 just has such a limited barrel life on top of I'm shooting within a 100fps of it with the 6.5 SS and 20+ gr less powder, just ridiculous over bore. The 33 just has so many awesome chamberings that perform so well around it, lot of love for the 338 RUM, 338 Lapua or 338 Norma mag, the 33 is just a little wimpy and the case just seems on point when in the middle ground with the 28 and 30.

 

[Deleted member 46119]

The 26 just has such a limited barrel life on top of I'm shooting within a 100fps of it with the 6.5 SS and 20+ gr less powder, just ridiculous over bore. The 33 just has so many awesome chamberings that perform so well around it, lot of love for the 338 RUM, 338 Lapua or 338 Norma mag, the 33 is just a little wimpy and the case just seems on point when in the middle ground with the 28 and 30.

Yup.

28 and 30 (or 300/26) make a pretty nice sweet spot for this chambering.

Even though I have a 338 Edge and now a 338-378 and seem to be going bigger/longer range, I still love that 338/26. It likes the lighter Barnes 185 TTSX. It's fine with 210s and 225s. Plenty of range for "normal" hunting plus. Only 12" of hold over at 500 yards and still plenty of power.

Of course there is the silly rifle the 270/26-Nosler. I've taken it to ~4,000fps with 115 CEB copper raptors. Wanna go faster still but limited by the action.

 

[toddc]

Are your thoughts here that the 26 is too overbore while the 33 is just not enough, too close to the 338 win mag?

Any caliber can only be pushed so hard. The 6.5 has been pushed by cases varying in capacity from the 223 to the RUM. There isn't a huge difference in velocity with a 140 between those two extremes. Yes the 26 Nosler is waaaaay overbore and for very little gain and a LOT of barrel loss, recoil, and cost.
The beauty of the 6.5 is and always has been the 140s BC not how fast you toss it. I bought a 264 WM back in the early 80s and it won't do a LOT more than a Swede will. Hot rodding the 6.5 is fun but not a truly huge leap.

The 33 is basically a shortened 338 RUM.
The 338 RUM is a shortened RUM which everyone on the planet passed over for the full length Edge.
The 33 Nosler will be a FLOP even considering how silly the average gun buyer is.

 

[Timber338]

no surprise the 33 Nosler is not going to push the big 338 bullets fast enough. But a bit silly to say it's going to flop. especially given their commitment to keeping their brass in stock. Plus a 225 Accubond at 3000 FPS is going to kill elk out further than most hunters will have the opportunity to shoot them at. Of course not in present company but that's not the group of folks Nosler is going after with the 33. I think it's going to be a very effective cartridge for a whole lot of hunters.

Back to the brass discussion, the primer pockets on my Nosler 300 win mag brass did loosen up when I over-pressured the case during load development as did the accuracy. At max I am getting excellent brass life.

The RUM primer pockets did loosen a tiny bit when I over pressured during load development, but not nearly as much as the 300 win mag brass. The RUM brass that I over pressured a couple of times still made 12 firings before they started to separate at the web down near the head. Now that my load development is complete I think my brass will last longer. And for perspective on the pressure I'm running, my load was developed in temps between 0 and about 34 degrees, and if I shoot at temps above 70 degrees my bolt will stick.

 

[toddc]

no surprise the 33 Nosler is not going to push the big 338 bullets fast enough. But a bit silly to say it's going to flop. especially given their commitment to keeping their brass in stock. Plus a 225 Accubond at 3000 FPS is going to kill elk out further than most hunters will have the opportunity to shoot them at. Of course not in present company but that's not the group of folks Nosler is going after with the 33. I think it's going to be a very effective cartridge for a whole lot of hunters.

Back to the brass discussion, the primer pockets on my Nosler 300 win mag brass did loosen up when I over-pressured the case during load development as did the accuracy. At max I am getting excellent brass life.

The RUM primer pockets did loosen a tiny bit when I over pressured during load development, but not nearly as much as the 300 win mag brass. The RUM brass that I over pressured a couple of times still made 12 firings before they started to separate at the web down near the head. Now that my load development is complete I think my brass will last longer. And for perspective on the pressure I'm running, my load was developed in temps between 0 and about 34 degrees, and if I shoot at temps above 70 degrees my bolt will stick.

Ok it will be a flop among LRH people.

 

[Broz]

Back to the brass discussion, the primer pockets on my Nosler 300 win mag brass did loosen up when I over-pressured the case during load development as did the accuracy. At max I am getting excellent brass life.

May I ask what Bullet , powder and charge weight you are now at max please? I am just trying to do some mental comparisons of my own here on a chambering I have spent a lot of time with.

Jeff

 

[SansSouci]

It sure looks as though the .300 WM & .300 Nosler compare favorably with the '06, 'cept they use a lot more powder and kick a lot more in order to achieve the same outcomes as the '06 has been producin' for better than a century. Of course, I writin' 'bout actual huntin' outcomes, not extrapolatin' theory to reality.

 

[gohring3006]

It sure looks as though the .300 WM & .300 Nosler compare favorably with the '06, 'cept they use a lot more powder and kick a lot more in order to achieve the same outcomes as the '06 has been producin' for better than a century. Of course, I writin' 'bout actual huntin' outcomes, not extrapolatin' theory to reality.

I have a lot of time behind the ole '06.
Doing what Jeff does at long range, I don't think it's going to achieve his objective without serious risk to the animal.
30-06 muzzle velocity 215 Berger: 2600-2650fps. (In a good gun)..
300 Win Mag muzzle 215 Berger: 2850-3000 fps.. I don't need to provide much more data to see it doesn't compare....
This coming from someone who absolutely loves the 30-06..

 

[bigngreen]

That just hurt my brain!!!

 

[Danny1788]

The 26 just has such a limited barrel life on top of I'm shooting within a 100fps of it with the 6.5 SS and 20+ gr less powder, just ridiculous over bore. The 33 just has so many awesome chamberings that perform so well around it, lot of love for the 338 RUM, 338 Lapua or 338 Norma mag, the 33 is just a little wimpy and the case just seems on point when in the middle ground with the 28 and 30.

Rhian, What load you using in your 6.5 SS and what bullet? I got a 6.5Saum and am going to start playing with some RL26 this winter with the 140hybrid, also I'm waiting for the 147gr JLK to come out.

 

[bigngreen]

Rhian, What load you using in your 6.5 SS and what bullet? I got a 6.5Saum and am going to start playing with some RL26 this winter with the 140hybrid, also I'm waiting for the 147gr JLK to come out.

I'll PM you to keep thread on track.

 

[HARPERC]

.......no surprise the 33 Nosler is not going to push the big 338 bullets fast enough. But a bit silly to say it's going to flop. especially given their commitment to keeping their brass in stock. Plus a 225 Accubond at 3000 FPS is going to kill elk out further than most hunters will have the opportunity to shoot them at. Of course not in present company but that's not the group of folks Nosler is going after with the 33. I think it's going to be a very effective cartridge for a whole lot of hunters. .............

The corporate strategy of "niche" marketing has been profitable for a long time.

Not many completely useless cartridges out there. A bunch that are over rated, or misapplied for sure.

I wouldn't jump over a good .300 Win-Mag to get to a .30 Nosler, but sometimes keeping myself entertained is more important.

Packaged in a good system, it will prove very serviceable-knock off the world wide king of the .30's, not likely.

 

[SansSouci]

gohring3006,

I was being half facetious.

Of course the .300 WM is more powerful than the '06. But the non-facetious part is that the '06 is legendary for killing everything that walks Earth.