Wedgy
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From the Sherman FB page;
PROOF BARRELS
ok, its time to get real with whats going on!!
I'm tired of having to talk to one client after another because of problems with Proof barrels! Im going to use the "Proof narrative" here. "Proof barrels dont work with Sherman cartridges"! " We've had a lot of troubles with those Shermans"! And just last week "Build a real cartridge"! So, i would advise everyone to do what Proof says and DON'T build any on Proof barrels!
Here are the facts: we have had more problems with proof than "ALL OTHER BRANDS COMBINED"! The same reamers that cut the Proofs, cut every other brand. The symptoms are ALWAYS the same. Pressure as much as 3-4 grains below average and low velocity. The barrels have tight spots (chokes) or are just plain undersize from chamber to muzzle, or both. Even WHEN Proof replaces the barrel, the client is still out hundreds of dollars for a redo and a lot of time.
I tried giving Proof the benefit of the doubt by working with them. In December, we had a 3 way conversation over the phone. Right off, they said " we've had trouble with the Shermans! I reminded them that the only
Sherman part was the chamber AND I had gunsmiths all over the country telling me they were having the same problems I was having.
They then said "well, we have had some issues, but we're working on them"! Because they finally admitted it, I thought, ok, I can live with that answer and we can move forward.
We agreed to cooperate with testing and data exchange so They bought a 7ss reamer, some brass and dies with the promise of building 4 rifles and doing extensive testing. GREAT!
Testing was to begin between Christmas and New years. Finally, after calling them a couple times, they told me they had one chambered and some time later after me calling them for an update, they said they had shot one with 180's using H1000. He said it shot very well and he ran it up to 2880 ish. Whoopee!
We talked about trying some more powders and running them up to pressure and getting velocities and grouping, etc.
Never ONCE have they called me or submitted any data at all since then. In the last month, Ive called them twice and they were always unavailable and they never bothered returning my calls.
In the mean time, I had a client with a problem who stopped by their office, and in their conversation, he was told " build a real rifle", etc.
Soooo.....last week, I emailed them and officially told them that unless I received some correspondence that would change my mind, i could not, and would not work on anything with them, and furthermore, would advise my clients to use their narrative that Shermans and Proofs dont get along.
So you guys can make up your own minds what you want to do, but ive lost all respect for that outfit! Everyone has issues to deal with, including me, but thats what you do; not pass the buck! DONE!
PROOF BARRELS
ok, its time to get real with whats going on!!
I'm tired of having to talk to one client after another because of problems with Proof barrels! Im going to use the "Proof narrative" here. "Proof barrels dont work with Sherman cartridges"! " We've had a lot of troubles with those Shermans"! And just last week "Build a real cartridge"! So, i would advise everyone to do what Proof says and DON'T build any on Proof barrels!
Here are the facts: we have had more problems with proof than "ALL OTHER BRANDS COMBINED"! The same reamers that cut the Proofs, cut every other brand. The symptoms are ALWAYS the same. Pressure as much as 3-4 grains below average and low velocity. The barrels have tight spots (chokes) or are just plain undersize from chamber to muzzle, or both. Even WHEN Proof replaces the barrel, the client is still out hundreds of dollars for a redo and a lot of time.
I tried giving Proof the benefit of the doubt by working with them. In December, we had a 3 way conversation over the phone. Right off, they said " we've had trouble with the Shermans! I reminded them that the only
Sherman part was the chamber AND I had gunsmiths all over the country telling me they were having the same problems I was having.
They then said "well, we have had some issues, but we're working on them"! Because they finally admitted it, I thought, ok, I can live with that answer and we can move forward.
We agreed to cooperate with testing and data exchange so They bought a 7ss reamer, some brass and dies with the promise of building 4 rifles and doing extensive testing. GREAT!
Testing was to begin between Christmas and New years. Finally, after calling them a couple times, they told me they had one chambered and some time later after me calling them for an update, they said they had shot one with 180's using H1000. He said it shot very well and he ran it up to 2880 ish. Whoopee!
We talked about trying some more powders and running them up to pressure and getting velocities and grouping, etc.
Never ONCE have they called me or submitted any data at all since then. In the last month, Ive called them twice and they were always unavailable and they never bothered returning my calls.
In the mean time, I had a client with a problem who stopped by their office, and in their conversation, he was told " build a real rifle", etc.
Soooo.....last week, I emailed them and officially told them that unless I received some correspondence that would change my mind, i could not, and would not work on anything with them, and furthermore, would advise my clients to use their narrative that Shermans and Proofs dont get along.
So you guys can make up your own minds what you want to do, but ive lost all respect for that outfit! Everyone has issues to deal with, including me, but thats what you do; not pass the buck! DONE!
