New ZCO 420H

[lancetkenyon]

Big heavy mags like that should get to about 1300 with 11 mils. Not ideal for fun in the sun ELR steel tagging but likely farther than 95% of hunters will ever shoot at a critter and probably farther than 98% of shooters ever should shoot at a critter LOL

As much as I do like the simplicity of the design, for that kind of money, I want it ALL!!!
ALL the elevation to 1700+ , ALL the glass with "zero compromise", ALL the top end magnification up to 25-30x etc... For 4 grand, I would spend my $$ elsewhere.

Scopes in the 4k range that give you all of it...in about the same weight range with up to 27 mils after zero.
Kahles 525, 328 and 540
ATACR
Tangent
Vortex

Kahles, to my eyes, while a fantastic scope, still don't have the glass that ZCO and TT do. And I have Kahles scopes.
ATACR, nope.
TT, about $1-1.5K+ more than the ZCOs (new prices, even the TT315M/H lines are a few hundo more)
Vortex...really? Not even the Razor Gen 3.

 

[lancetkenyon]

I'd be curious to know how the 315 sales are split between the LRH, M, and P.

P series are a step up over the M/H series.
Not in glass, but in everything else.
Tube diameter, elevation travel, weight, COST, etc.

For a hunting rifle that wants a 3-15x50, the M series, to me, checks almost every box. If TT would come out with a TT420M...I (my bank account) would be in big trouble. For every $ I spend on guns, the wife gets = $ in jewelry.

 

[The Oregonian]

P series are a step up over the M/H series.
Not in glass, but in everything else.
Tube diameter, elevation travel, weight, COST, etc.

For a hunting rifle that wants a 3-15x50, the M series, to me, checks almost every box. If TT would come out with a TT420M...I (my bank account) would be in big trouble. For every $ I spend on guns, the wife gets = $ in jewelry.

But these are optics, not guns

 

[Huntaddict]

That was for the Steiner T6Xi that I quoted the post on. NOT the ZCO 420H.

Yup. Got it

 

[Huntaddict]

Kahles, to my eyes, while a fantastic scope, still don't have the glass that ZCO and TT do. And I have Kahles scopes.
ATACR, nope.
TT, about $1-1.5K+ more than the ZCOs (new prices, even the TT315M/H lines are a few hundo more)
Vortex...really? Not even the Razor Gen 3.

Everyone eyes are different. To my eyes there is no better glass than Kahles. The 525, 328, the 540 and now the 864 are without equal. The 3.5-28 is nearly perfect. 99/100 scope.

I can buy any scopes I want. Have looked through all of them and was sponsored by Swaro and Vortex in my time. I have 7 Kahles and have plans for 2 more here soon.

ZCO is a fine bit of kit. If Kahles did not exist I would likely be a buyer.

 

[Greyfox]

I been totally enthralled with my ZCO420 acquired a some years back, and have used it exclusively since on my 6.5x284.. Crystal clear/big view optics, non-existent low sun glare and superb low light performance. I haven't adjusted the zero since original mounting. No problem at all shooting 1000+ yard PD's, mirage and all…during lunch breaks….

 

[lancetkenyon]

OK, I found something, that for me, is a non-issue, but some guys might not like.
The windage knob is very close to the scope, and kind of difficult to grab and adjust. Big meaty fingers might have a hard time.

If you are constantly dialing for wind, you probably will not like that. I hold.for wind, and never touch my windage once it is set. So the narrow and capped windage knob is fine for me, now that I zeroed it.

Glass is every bit as good as my other two ZCO420, appears identical.
Crystal clear (as much as the smoke from the brush fire in the air will allow out here).

Parallax might be even better. I have no need to adjust parallax from about 200 to the mountain behind the range at 1470 at the base over the berm, to the top which is nearly 2 miles.

The locking elevation turret feels the same as the original model 420. Tactile and crisp audible clicks. From the small amount of adjustment I needed from mounting and bore sighting about 6.5MIL elevation, to adjusting after my first shot from my bore sight, .6MIL down (hit high) and .6MIL left (hit right), it dialed perfectly. Next shot was just left of center of diamond @ 100. Right where I want it from a bench.

The MPCT1X is very nice. The heavy outer stadia draws your eye to the center on 4x, wide FOV. 20x is not so heavy it obscures very small targets like an 1/4" dot.

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[Phil Rizzo]

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OK, I found something, that for me, is a non-issue, but some guys might not like.
The windage knob is very close to the scope, and kind of difficult to grab and adjust. Big meaty fingers might have a hard time.

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If you are constantly dialing for wind, you probably will not like that. I hold.for wind, and never touch my windage once it is set. So the narrow and capped windage knob is fine for me, now that I zeroed it.

Glass is every bit as good as my other two ZCO420, appears identical.
Crystal clear (as much as the smoke from the brush fire in the air will allow out here).

Parallax might be even better. I have no need to adjust parallax from about 200 to the mountain behind the range at 1470 at the base over the berm, to the top which is nearly 2 miles.

The locking elevation turret feels the same as the original model 420. Tactile and crisp audible clicks. From the small amount of adjustment I needed from mounting and bore sighting about 6.5MIL elevation, to adjusting after my first shot from my bore sight, .6MIL down (hit high) and .6MIL left (hit right), it dialed perfectly. Next shot was just left of center of diamond @ 100. Right where I want it from a bench.

The MPCT1X is very nice. The heavy outer stadia draws your eye to the center on 4x, wide FOV. 20x is not so heavy it obscures very small targets like an 1/4" dot.

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Kinda what some of us have learned to expect, the good stuff. Thanks.

 

[lancetkenyon]

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Illumination is definitely daytime bright!

The illumination buttons (like the Swaro DS instead of a knob on the side) are a little small and stiff. Trying to click it on with thick gloves would be tough.
I have oy needed illumination twice in all the years I have had the option of illumination, but without it would have been two less game animals for us. Elk in deep timber at very first legal light on overcast days.


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Once I zeroed, shot two 3-shot groups to verify. Both looked like 1 bigger than caliber hole.

So I let the rifle cool for about 30 minutes, then sent one tucked right behind the head. Maybe high shoulder shot? DRT.

 

[lancetkenyon]

I have range time booked at Cowtown on Sat 7-25, so I will be running it through it's paces that day to make sure it is ready for pronghorn.

 

[The Oregonian]

@lancetkenyon Curious about this vs the heavier 420…if this was the same weight as the 'old' 420, which scope would you choose? The 315M is 8 oz lighter than the 315P, while the ZCO is only about 4 oz lighter.

 

[lancetkenyon]

@lancetkenyon Curious about this vs the heavier 420…if this was the same weight as the 'old' 420, which scope would you choose? The 315M is 8 oz lighter than the 315P, while the ZCO is only about 4 oz lighter.

I found 5oz difference between the ZCO 420 (37oz) and ZCO 420H (32oz) on a scale that only does 1oz increments. It was originally advertised at 29oz. Which would have been an 8oz (or 1/2 pound) lighter.
As for which would I choose?

I prefer the illumination on the left side dial vs the push button right behind the ocular lens. Not sure how well this is going to work for guys that wear even lightweight gloves. I was kind of surprised how stiff the buttons are to push. Maybe they will loosen up a bit with some repeated use, but then you don't want them so loose that they get accidently pushed. But I have accidently turned the illumination knob on the side of other scopes in the past pulling them in and out of a pack or soft case. And I have rarely used illumination in the field. Only twice that I can remember needing it.

The low profile capped windage on the 420H will be nice going in and out of a pack, but no real gamechanger from the locking windage on the 420. Just a little bit of some added assurance it was not inadvertently twisted before a hurried shot on game.

The 5oz lighter version is not that big of a reduction. I wish it would have come in sub-30oz (for that 8oz lighter) as originally advertised. I heard 29oz, then 30oz, now 32oz actual final weight.
Ounces=pounds, and pounds=pain. But 5oz is not a huge difference. I think that was a bit of a swing and a foul tip (not quite a miss).
The 420H is 4oz heavier than the TT315M. But, you get an additional 5x on the top end, amd only lose 1x on the low end. That is a good compromise.

Other than that, so far, I like it. But I would not sell my ZCO 420 to go buy a 420H.

I swapped my temporary NX8 2.5-20×50 off the 25MBK that was just a placeholder for the 420H. I could not be happier with that swap.

Now...if TT comes out with a 28-30oz TT420M...I am in deep doo-doo as far as my CC statement would show...

 

[The Oregonian]

I found 5oz difference between the ZCO 420 (37oz) and ZCO 420H (32oz) on a scale that only does 1oz increments. It was originally advertised at 29oz. Which would have been an 8oz (or 1/2 pound) lighter.
As for which would I choose?

I prefer the illumination on the left side dial vs the push button right behind the ocular lens. Not sure how well this is going to work for guys that wear even lightweight gloves. I was kind of surprised how stiff the buttons are to push. Maybe they will loosen up a bit with some repeated use, but then you don't want them so loose that they get accidently pushed. But I have accidently turned the illumination knob on the side of other scopes in the past pulling them in and out of a pack or soft case. And I have rarely used illumination in the field. Only twice that I can remember needing it.

The low profile capped windage on the 420H will be nice going in and out of a pack, but no real gamechanger from the locking windage on the 420. Just a little bit of some added assurance it was not inadvertently twisted before a hurried shot on game.

The 5oz lighter version is not that big of a reduction. I wish it would have come in sub-30oz (for that 8oz lighter) as originally advertised. I heard 29oz, then 30oz, now 32oz actual final weight.
Ounces=pounds, and pounds=pain. But 5oz is not a huge difference. I think that was a bit of a swing and a foul tip (not quite a miss).
The 420H is 4oz heavier than the TT315M. But, you get an additional 5x on the top end, amd only lose 1x on the low end. That is a good compromise.

Other than that, so far, I like it. But I would not sell my ZCO 420 to go buy a 420H.

I swapped my temporary NX8 2.5-20×50 off the 25MBK that was just a placeholder for the 420H. I could not be happier with that swap.

Now...if TT comes out with a 28-30oz TT420M...I am in deep doo-doo as far as my CC statement would show...

Thanks…with only 4 oz savings and some compromises to get there, I'm debating the 420 vs 420H again in my head.

 

[Huntaddict]

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OK, I found something, that for me, is a non-issue, but some guys might not like.
The windage knob is very close to the scope, and kind of difficult to grab and adjust. Big meaty fingers might have a hard time.

View attachment 767597

If you are constantly dialing for wind, you probably will not like that. I hold.for wind, and never touch my windage once it is set. So the narrow and capped windage knob is fine for me, now that I zeroed it.

Glass is every bit as good as my other two ZCO420, appears identical.
Crystal clear (as much as the smoke from the brush fire in the air will allow out here).

Parallax might be even better. I have no need to adjust parallax from about 200 to the mountain behind the range at 1470 at the base over the berm, to the top which is nearly 2 miles.

The locking elevation turret feels the same as the original model 420. Tactile and crisp audible clicks. From the small amount of adjustment I needed from mounting and bore sighting about 6.5MIL elevation, to adjusting after my first shot from my bore sight, .6MIL down (hit high) and .6MIL left (hit right), it dialed perfectly. Next shot was just left of center of diamond @ 100. Right where I want it from a bench.

The MPCT1X is very nice. The heavy outer stadia draws your eye to the center on 4x, wide FOV. 20x is not so heavy it obscures very small targets like an 1/4" dot.

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I hear you...I hold for wind when hunting...usually because I am taking shots that are within my comfortable range limitations based on where and what I am hunting.
At the range, with validation, and when I did shoot comps a few years ago, I would dial.

I would like to see some other companies offer LS windage controls, but if you arent dialing often, it is probably a non issue as you state