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Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by grunt0311, Nov 18, 2013.
Have ordered 6-18x40 leupold. I would appreciate any suggestions on rings, preferably under 150.00
What type of bases? Or are you undecided?
You could say undecided or the truth of the mater: clueless, I did see a nikkon m-223, do notknow ifthat would work or not and also a leupold O thhink it was a single piece with base on the sawfa sight where I bought the scope.
No worries. What type of rifle is it going on (make and caliber), and how far out do you want to shoot it? Also, do you have a preference for tactical type rings or more a more traditional look? If you can provide that detail, I think you'll get enough opinions here to be dangerous in your research.
Appreciate the understanding. caliber: 308win, rifle type: AR platform, Barrel length 20". Since the rifle will( I am waiting on the lower top come back from being anodized, to finish out the lower) have the tactical look, probably the rings should also. As far as distance my eyes at 60 are not what they were in younger years that is why the larger scope so that being said probably 600yds plus more if the rifle and I can come to an understanding.
Got it. That changes everything. I am going to assume you have a flat-top model (not a permanent carry handle). If so, you already have a picatinny rail on the top of that platform, so you won't need bases. I would recommend going with "high" rings regardless of your type/brand choice, as they will typically give you the proper cheek weld on a flat-top AR. Make sure you get the right diameter for your scope (commonly 1" tube OR 30mm).
You still have some choices....
You can go with a one-piece set up. I have no experience with these put maybe someone else can chime in. Some examples are:
GG&G one piece. SPR Rifle Scope Mount | FLT Scope Mount for Special Purpose Rifle Available in QD and Bolt-On. I have some other GG&G stuff and it is all well made. The QD cam system is great if you want to change between a scope and a dot site often, easily, or quickly. I know Burris also makes a PEPR one-piece mount that is reasonably priced and well reviewed. AR-P.E.P.R. Mount - rifle scopes, handgun scopes, hunting scopes by Burris Optics. I'm sure you can find many more from a lot of the well known names, if they are picatinny rail compatible you should be good to go (again, assuming you are putting this on a flat-top).
If you prefer the look of a traditional two piece ring set-up, you will again have a ton of options. Nightforce, Badger, Seekins, Talley and others all make quality stuff. Here are two I have direct experience with:
TPS makes (IMO) a very well made set of rings for a reasonable price. TSR Picatinny 1 Inch 7075 Aluminum High Rings - TSR - 1" Scope Rings - Scope Rings. SWFA.com typically has them in stock for a good price. I don't think you will be bummed if you go this route.
Another unique option are A.R.M.S mounts. If you like a quick-detach feature these are a good option. I have a set on a 5.56 AR platform and they return to zero amazingly well (I am using 30mm with a set of reducers to hold a 1" scope, and have had no issues. A.R.M.S., Inc.
Hope this gives you something to get started with. I hope you get some other opinions as well. If you have more questions, post 'em up!
Thanks for the reply. I measured the scope, it came in this morning and it has 1" rings, I measured it with my rcbs set of calipers (manual not digital) that was the first thing I measured as I have reloading equipment coming in (never reloaded before) I can go forward with the information you provided. I am kind of leaning toward something detachable so I could have flip up sights or red dot. I am in the process of 3 ar builds. 1 is and old colt ar .223/5.56 1/7 twist, I have had for over 20 years with fixed carrying hand( never been fired, I already have a monarch bdc 600 for it, the 2nd is m-4 style flattop .223/5.56 1/7 twist, I have not gotten anything for it, yet. I was thinking of a detachable carrying handle with unknown optic system, if I go with a scope I would like to remove the carrying handle and put something on for close range 0-1-300 yds. max. Any ideas on that? Yes there are picattiny rails on the 308. You stated high rings, do not know what that means but I'll look it up. If I want the scope to be detachable, does it matter if it is single or two piece? Thanks
If you are planning on using the flat top 5.56 for closer in work then a holo type sight is very hard to beat, something like an EOtech is great. It also depends on what you are going to use it for. I have a flat top M4 that I use for hog hunting at our ranch in East Texas with an EOtech 557 and Surefire M4 light, I would not trade it for anything. Targets are quick and easy to acquire with both eyes open for situational awareness, and I can regularly make good hits out to 250 yards when necessary. Now I am not going to say that it is the ultimate in precision, it's not, but for the job for which it is intended it is perfect. My father is nearly 68 and he can use it quite effectively (with not so great eyesight).
What I can also tell you is that with an AR platform you will have more choices than you can shake a stick at.
High rings just mean there is more height between the rail and where the bottom of the scope will sit. You will see rings in low, medium, and high. Think of it as short vs tall. With an AR platform, tall usually helps keep your head and eye where it is supposed to be.
As far as detatching the scope, you can do that with either one-piece mounts or two piece rings. Most are set up with bolts that fix onto the rail. If you are going to change often, definitely look at the GG&G or ARMS mounts I linked above. With either, you simply flip a lever (or two) and the scope comes right off.
As the poster above mentioned, an Eotech is a good option for a holo sight. My AR wears an Eotech with a GG&G quick detach. I also have a scope for it in ARMS mounts for when I want to reach out a little. Making the change is as easy as:
Flip the lever on the Eotech and remove it
Put the ARMS rings in the proper rail position
Flip the two ARMS mount levers
Total time is about 30 seconds. If you are going to change on a regular basis, IMO go with a good QD system. You won't regret it.
Thanks for the reply. I better keep shaking the stick as with the blown budget on 3 ar build, and all of the reloading equipment I have taken a new interest in, at this point. I am going to have to scale back. ( something about my wife and bank account balance, go figure)
Sold on quick detach. I will not be removing very often but would lik to do some open sight short range shooting if need be on the 308. I need to do some homework regarding the mounts, one piece or not. The one piece seems like they would be more stable but at this point what to I know. Regarding optics for the m-4 style flattop, at this point I will need to scale back on the cost of the optics (Eotech) I do have a nephew ( Captain inthe U.S.M.C.) who said he could get me on base at the px to look at the Eotech and Trijicon, do not know if he can save me much. That being said I think I will have to try to find something less expensive and still be good enough to get the job done. Thanks again for yours and everyone else s support on this forum
You may want to look at the Vortex Strikefire as a lower-cost dot sight. It ain't an Aimpoint or Eotech, but not a bad value.
Now, I am always careful to state that my thoughts are my opinion. Try to make it clear I am not an expert. Don't know it all. Room for other opinions. Etc etc etc.
Do NOT buy a POS sight that looks like this picture. You will see the same design with about 10 different brand names stamped on. I would bet you $1 they all are made on the same crappy tooling at the same crappy plant in China. The quality and durability is dogshtink. You'd be better off rolling up a $50 bill and taping it to your rail as a peep sight. That way, when it didn't work, you could take it off, unroll it, and still have $50.
Not my opinion. FACT.
Good luck with your builds!
I will not contribute to our china deficit. I appreciate your opinion. The homework is on me. Thanks again for your input. If that 50 bill was a one I may end up giving it shot.
What are your or anybody elses thoughts on the Leupold Mark 2 IMS AR setup for my 6-18x40 scope 1" tube?