Loss of Love for Leupold, New scope time.

GREATSCOTT!

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If I had a dollar for every one of these scope failure threads...
I'm not a brand-fan of any specifics, remember that before you begin your counter-assault on my next words.
We've tested, owned, hunted and used competitively nearly all the brands listed in this thread, including Tangent, minus Bushnell. That doesn't make us foremost experts, but rather long on data and experience in running down problems with missed shot opportunities. And too often the weight and responsibility of a missed "lifetime" shot is placed first solely on the shoulders of the optic.
I'm sorry, but the 3-shot group shown in this thread in NO WAY PROVES ANY THEORY of a scope failure in the moment of truth. It proves only two things; zero was off (at the time of the shot on paper), and it was assumed it was the Leupold scope.
Two, six-shot Box Tests performed at no more than 100m by the owner and another quality shooter, while the optic was still on the rifle, should have been the first test. That would've given all the data needed on whether to go any further with a fine-tracking test performed on a tripod head-to-head against a proven optic. If passed, then onto the brass if reloads were used (how many firings, have donuts been created, etc), then ammo build quality, then onto the rifle itself. Anything less is merely assumptions based on an emotional disappointment that was experienced and the need to find an enemy rather than having systems in place to finding a solution...or solutions. This ready, fire, aim approach to finding problems is a problem unto itself, and the missed shot opportunities will certainly continue.
If it comes back from Leupold as a problem with the optic, which I'm confident that's what will be shared around on this thread as the issue, then the OP will be validated, which seems to be more important than tracking down all possible mechanical failures.
Leupold, as all the others, have given me some of the worst experiences in my career, and also some of my finest moments.
 
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MTNRaine

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If I had a dollar for every one of these scope failure threads...
I'm not a brand-fan of any specifics, remember that before you begin your counter-assault on my next words.
We've tested, owned, hunted and used competitively nearly all the brands listed in this thread, including Tangent, minus Bushnell. That doesn't make us foremost experts, but rather long on data and experience in running down problems with missed shot opportunities. And too often the weight and responsibility of a missed "lifetime" shot is placed first solely on the shoulders of the optic.
I'm sorry, but the 3-shot group shown in this thread in NO WAY PROVES ANY THEORY of a scope failure in the moment of truth. It proves only two things; zero was off (at the time of the shot on paper), and it was assumed it was the Leupold scope.
Two, six-shot Box Tests performed at no more than 100m by the owner and another quality shooter, while the optic was still on the rifle, should have been the first test. That would've given all the data needed on whether to go any further with a fine-tracking test performed on a tripod head-to-head against a proven optic. If passed, then onto the brass if reloads were used (how many firings, have donuts been created, etc), then ammo build quality, then onto the rifle itself. Anything less is merely assumptions based on an emotional disappointment that was experienced and the need to find an enemy rather than having systems in place to finding a solution...or solutions. This ready, fire, aim approach to finding problems is a problem unto itself, and the missed shot opportunities will certainly continue.
If it comes back from Leupold as a problem with the optic, which I'm confident that's what will be shared around on this thread as the issue, then the OP will be validated, which seems to be more important than tracking down all possible mechanical failures.
Leupold, as all the others, have given me some of the worst experiences in my career, and also some of my finest moments.
It failed a tracking test, as stated early on in the thread.
 

Hecouldgoalltheway

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What kind of tracking test?
Even a tracking test would just be the beginning, like you and I have eluded to here, there could be a hundred reasons that this happened. If your ammo is inconsistent you can fail any tracking test. If anything is moving, a rock is wedged between the barrel and the stock, a loose muzzle brake, any of the mounting equipment, action screws, and on and on ad nauseum.

Exceptional claims require exceptional proof.

I was browbeaten repeatedly in this conversation for asking these questions in a way that displayed my frustration with the lack of scientific methodology used to vomit on the scope company.
 

GREATSCOTT!

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Been asked several times
No, wrong, two have asked; myself and the guy who got unrighteously chastized by the OP (and others for reasons I still don't understand after the way she talked to him). One person almost came close on page two, post #20, asking "If you don’t mind my asking, I would be interested in knowing what failed on the VX6, or what the symptoms were?" The OP simply stated, "Failed to hold zero", and reassured us that everthing was locktited and shows a three-shots on a target, I'm assuming performed by the OP.

So no, it hasn't been asked several times, it was asked twice, and the only reason is because, rightfully so, he had finally had enough by nine pages of mindless historical scope conjecture, none of it educational, helpful or useful, and none of it by the OP herself, asked objective questions about how it actually came about that the scope was determined to be junk, gets both man-hated and man-shamed, being called an illiterate stupid, puffed-up "dude" just running his mouth, that needed to take her preferred PMS medication and chill out. The nicest word she could muster was sir, and even that was out the side of her running mouth. Her reaction and behavior to him on this thread was just lousy, far worse than his to her, and yet still didn't offer her process of verifying the scope was actually the problem, which is all he, and others actually interested in this ridiculous thread would like to learn.

Have a discussion, have an opinion, but at some point, we have to actually talk about the problem and fully understand why a "lifetime" shot opportunity was lost. At this point, all we got is poetic story of a missed shot opportunity of the mystical giant ghost elk from Eldorado, 15 pages of talk and assumptions, and a "test" that took 10 seconds to conduct by a person that can't take an objective question. But that's ok, she shot the second biggest elk to be had in the entire unit, not all was lost. So, if we're not allowed to ask questions, then what are we doing? Just offering sympathy to the OP? Perhaps she could learn something. Perhaps not.
 
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jgs8163

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I don't remember asking you anything Ed. Are we not allowed to ask questions anymore?
Ask all the questions you want professor, but maybe we should all wait to see what Leupold says since they have the scope and THEY’RE the experts. Most of the 15 pages of posts are due to Leupold die hard optic lovers not willing to accept the possibility of a defect. Just like the scope defect that I’ve had with ....... it happens. I’m sure MTNRaine will update us when she hears back from Leupold. Otherwise, no reason to get all Marty McFly, Bif, on the topic.
 

Bruce Treloar

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What good is a scope for LR if you can't adjust the turrets for LR.
No trouble setting up a Leupold , I make sure the adjustments are centered by moving the mounts only for vertical and horizontal zero. The scope adjustments only need a maximum of 5 clicks or I go back to moving the mounts. I built a 8 1/2lb rifle with Leupold scope and never adjusted the scope in over 30 years field use. When a rifle is assembled free from stresses included the mount and scope surprising how well they hold point of impact and do not suffer scope problems.
 

Lee Goodwin

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Aaaaaah.....you mean....when a person could actually GO TO A GAME! That was the good old days! ( and only a year and a half ago)
I had been to one game a year in t town three years running. Til this season. From Oregon to Bama. Went to Santa Clara when Bama got whooped by Clemson. In person and felt the agony. This year was ... magical.
 

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