Hydrostatic shock?

[Phil Rizzo]

Here we go again....is it the speed of a punch that leaves the bruise....or the weight behind it ?? .......I'm older now and perhaps just still as stupid as I was years ago....but nobody is ever going to convince me.....that speed kills over ft/lbs of energy delivered....can't have one without the other...that I get but all the game I shot with my .460 bee and 8600 ft/lbs muzzle energy.....not one...did I every need to look for....just me...

I like your style….

 

[WYO300RUM]

With the original X Bullet: Pressure - Yes! However, fouling seemed to be dependent upon barrel condition…..I've seen hideous fouling on some factory rifle barrels, non-existent in my "match" barrel! memtb

The original x bullet I couldn't get any accuracy out of it and the weight variance was crazy. I did kill one bull elk in Co. with it. The blue coated x bullets weren't accurate either. But the TSX and TTSX shoot great in every caliber I've used them in.
I've used 100 TTSX on last two doe and buck lope in a 257 Weatherby. All took instant dirt naps.
I shot a nice bull here with a 180 TTSX in a 300 RUM at 3360 fps at 543 yards. Did the job.

Todd , you use Barnes don't you ?

 

[Russ66]

Just weighing in here and not trying to be a smart-ar#e. I haven't seen the aforementioned presentation by Barnes; however, I discovered recently that I was using the term 'hydrostatic shock' when I (and the majority of other shooters) were really describing 'hydraulic shock'. I know the latter doesn't sound as 'cool', but it was interesting to learn that the former term is more of a theoretical concept, and the latter term an observable outcome.
Just my two cents worth.

 

[WA Coyote]

Hydrostatic shock…. Yep, it's a myth…

 

[memtb]

Makes sense… the only custom barrel I'd ever heard of at the time was Douglas and couldn't think of replacing my tight shooting Remington regardless. Early-mid 80's I guess, sound about right or am I off ?

My rifle just happens to have a Douglas Supreme on it!

For years I 've hand-lapped all of our rifle barrels……with the exception of my Douglas.

I've told this story before, but will repeat.

A friend of mine bought a first year production SS Remington in 25-06…..you couldn't cover his 100 yard groups with an open hand! Sadly, this was with the Barnes Original X Bullet……that I talked him into trying.

Knowing the reputation of the Original X …..after much convincing , I finally got him to hand-lap his barrel! The improvement was pretty stunning……still poor groups, but vastly improved!

He used it the next elk season…..killing the largest bodied Bull Elk that I've ever seen! memtb

 

[Phil Rizzo]

My rifle just happens to have a Douglas Supreme on it!

For years I 've hand-lapped all of our rifle barrels……with the exception of my Douglas.

I've told this story before, but will repeat.

A friend of mine bought a first year production SS Remington in 25-06…..you couldn't cover his 100 yard groups with an open hand!

This was an 83 model blued with wood, of course.
Christmas at age 9, I will never forget the feeling.

I figured it was someone else's even after I was told to open it.

 

[Phil Rizzo]

Hydrostatic shock…. Yep, it's a myth…



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HS might not outright kill em, I'm not sure, but I can guarantee the process is accelerated as a result.
"Temporary" destruction and wounds aren't helping em live, nor are busted vessels, fried nerves, displaced tissue, collapsed and whatever else happens in there with organs etc. A lot of force is expelled into whatever traps the bullet.

These things don't occur with bullets that don't transfer their energy effectively in my experience.

 

[Turpentine21]

I've seen a lot of hunters against headshots because of missing the killshot and just wounding the animal. One person saw a buck walking around missing it's lower jaw and just waiting to die his slow painful death.

Seen that in deer and hogs. It ain't pretty.

 

[FEENIX]

Always a good read from one of the best out there, Nathan Foster (Terminal Ballistics Research).

Full article >>> https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

 

[Peddler 76]

I'm not quite sure how to explain this but I shot a small whitetail buck that was facing me at a slight angle. The bullet entered the chest just inside the left front shoulder and exited in front of the right hip. The hole was 6 or 8 inches in diameter and the stomach which was fully intact was hanging out.no blood at all. I was using my .257 Roberts.

 

[Turpentine21]

I'm with you pertaining to "overkill", though it's a word that I prefer not to use……is far better than "underkill"!

As far as bullet placement, stick around …..there are some that apparently "never" fail to put the bullet exactly where it is intended!

I'm in constant amazement at their shooting prowess! memtb

What! I shoot great on the internet!

 

[Turpentine21]

The bullet was literally going so fast here it forgot to expand ! It simply sucked the oxygen out of this hog last night! Remember, the internet is Pure True!

 

[Phil Rizzo]

Looks like he could use some Excedrin.?

 

[xsn10s]

I like my headshots too, just not on big game. Unless I'm absolutely sure. Coldbore shot on 500 plus yards. an example of hydrostatic shock popping a cork.