After many years of Dad's hunt up hill so you can can drag them out, wait till daylight to start moving and always shoot close, theory. I was very frustrated and quit hunting for years. A few years ago I took it back up when my Wife's uncle invited me out with the theory go where ever you have to and be there waiting at day light ready to shoot farther than you expect. My first bull was a 5x5 the closest of four in my field of view at the time 300 yrds short range unless you have no range finder yet. One shot defiantly would have bean enough but he stumbled and stood there at which point fear of all that practice and preparation being waisted set in and I fired twice more before he crashed. two perfect double lung shots about two inches apart horizontal and a neck shot to the right side of his spine as he struggled to turn away. It was actually very stressful as that year I had bought my first designated elk rifle, my first quality rifle scope, quality binoculars, spotting scope, bipod, shooting sticks, built a proper kit for getting him out after the shot, watched the heard for weeks or more. Practiced till every one I new thought I was just wasting ammo by the time season rolled around so at least for my budget, I was all in........ 30 minutes of daylight into opening day of an 8 day season I finally had the shot I planned, where I planned it and got it done. That was more work than work and I Work blood sweat and tears everyday. I take it to serious now days but I get my elk. The last one was actually more fun and it keeps getting better. Adequate equipment and consistently expanding range have taken the edge off. I hear a lot of people grab a rifle they hardly ever shoot drive somewhere some guy told them about and lean out the window and shoot but more often than not at least on public land in my neck of the woods if thats all your putting into it your wasting your time. In either case happy hunting.