Could Someone Run Quickload Data for me?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Troutslayer2, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. Troutslayer2

    Troutslayer2 Well-Known Member

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    Working up a new load using H4831SC and trying to basically get the MV the same with that as my pet load of RL22. Getting away from RL22 because my ES is way to big, and honestly, I don’t know if it is the powder that is causing it but that is where I’m experimenting. Right now I’m buying into the hype that RL22 is not consistent across a wide range of temperatures.

    My devices keep telling me that Nosler’s web page is compromised and may be trying to steal my data. I know they have this load on there but I’m afraid to visit their page.

    280AI
    24” barrel
    168 Grain Nosler Accubond Long Range
    H4831SC
     
  2. bigedp51

    bigedp51 Well-Known Member

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    You need the fired case capacity of your cases for Quickload input.
    On top of this you also need a chronograph and then adjust the burn rate in Quickload until the velocity matches the chronograph.

    And when the above is done you will have computer guesstimates of you chamber pressure and velocity.

    I just went to the Nosler web page and there is nothing compromised or attacking my computer.

    Try deleting your browser cookies and make sure the Nosler web site isn't just asking for normal information.
     
  3. ShtrRdy

    ShtrRdy Well-Known Member

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    Since you're changing powders, I think you would be better off finding the load your rifle likes and go from there.

    I agree with bigedp51 that you need those extra pieces of information for quickload to be closer.
     
  4. gte901m

    gte901m Well-Known Member

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    Use at our own risk.

    As was mentioned, the below data could be off 10% or more.

    Don't treat it as gospel.

    Cartridge : .280 Ack Imp
    Bullet : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623
    Useable Case Capaci: 63.532 grain H2O = 4.125 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
    Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
    Powder : Hodgdon H4831 SC
    Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
    incremented in steps of 0.525% of nominal charge.
    CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
    Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
    % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
    -05.2 97 57.23 2741 2803 54120 11187 97.1 1.269
    -04.7 97 57.55 2757 2835 55101 11244 97.3 1.259
    -04.2 98 57.86 2773 2867 56098 11299 97.5 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
    -03.7 98 58.18 2788 2900 57113 11353 97.7 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
    -03.1 99 58.50 2804 2932 58145 11406 97.8 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
    -02.6 99 58.82 2819 2965 59196 11458 98.0 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
    -02.1 100 59.13 2835 2998 60265 11508 98.2 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
    -01.6 100 59.45 2850 3031 61355 11557 98.3 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
    -01.0 101 59.77 2866 3064 62466 11605 98.4 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
    -00.5 101 60.08 2881 3097 63599 11651 98.6 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
    +00.0 102 60.40 2897 3130 64755 11697 98.7 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +00.5 103 60.72 2912 3164 65933 11741 98.8 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +01.0 103 61.03 2928 3198 67135 11783 99.0 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +01.6 104 61.35 2943 3232 68361 11825 99.1 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +02.1 104 61.67 2959 3266 69611 11864 99.2 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +02.6 105 61.98 2975 3300 70887 11903 99.3 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba 102 60.40 3023 3408 77120 11402 100.0 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba 102 60.40 2724 2769 52822 11407 93.3 1.277
     
  5. can1010

    can1010 Well-Known Member

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    quickload is not a reloading book. people should not be posting generic quickload data. some day someone will get seriously hurt.
     
  6. gte901m

    gte901m Well-Known Member

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    Agreed - QL is not a reloading manual of test data and you can definitely get yourself in trouble treating it as one.

    We have dissenting opinions about the posting portion - and that's ok.
     
  7. can1010

    can1010 Well-Known Member

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    people should help others with info but in a pm and use all needed data to make the most informative and safe prediction possible. all our guns and loading supplies are different just want people to be safe
     
  8. Mikecr

    Mikecr Well-Known Member

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    Please stop posting QL estimates. Qualified info or not, it's unethical.
    Troutslayer2, buy the software or not.
     
  9. TOM H

    TOM H Well-Known Member

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    I haven't run into any problem using Nosler site. I also have there manual. maybe this will help
    280AI
    start load 54gr/H-4831sc with 168gr ABLR @ 2655fps
    max load is 58gr/H-4831sc @ 2806fps
     
  10. NEMTHunter

    NEMTHunter Well-Known Member

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    Beat me to it. That is the same data listed under there web page load data.
     
  11. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    This is just me but I try to always have the most current reloading manual (i.e., Nosler, Berger, Hornady, etc.) for the bullet I am going to use (if available).

    FYSA >>> https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/quick-load-quick-target.204457/

    BTW, seller is good to go and you can deal with confidence.
     
  12. bigedp51

    bigedp51 Well-Known Member

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    I somewhat agree but by itself Quickload is not the same as making a workup load and really learning about your rifle. The output of Quickload is "NOT" copyrighted just like the output of Microsoft Word is not copyrighted. Meaning you are not breaking any law using Quickload to help someone else. The problem is Quickload is nothing more than computer generated guesstimates. And not a substitute for looking in several reloading manuals and making a workup load.

    Quickload defaults to the lowest case capacity, example for the .223 it defaults to 28.0 grains of H2O capacity. And the majority of cases have a capacity over 30.2 and this will be 6,000 psi difference in chamber pressure.

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    Bottom line, you need the actual case capacity of a case fired in your rifle and a chronograph to tweak Quickload to get approximate data.
     
  13. gte901m

    gte901m Well-Known Member

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    pdf from the nosler website attached for the OP.
     

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  14. can1010

    can1010 Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree but you need a lot more than case capacity and chrony results. I can make quickload match the velocity and case capacity and still be 6-8 thousand psi difference in two loads with the same powder and charge.