Did the OP leave like on page 3 or 4?
Lol. Was wondering also.Did the OP leave like on page 3 or 4?
RightBeen fun though. But I certainly thought I'd see the pic of the deer eating popcorn. Lol
I want berger consistancy, with an accubond core and and eldx tip.....is that too much to ask for?
A true match grade bullet (berger)
A real bonded core (accubond)
And consistent expansion (eld-x)....
A bonded berger with a polymer tip to ensure expansion....simple right?
I suppose while I'm dreaming, I'd like this in a sub 1/2moa 7lb rifle with a 250@ 3000 and .9 bc with little recoil and no brake.
I don't get the "Elves" reference LOL!
I don't chime in on too many things anymore, but I feel the need to do so here.I really want to shoot the 215 Hybrid, despite witnessing poor performance with the VLD with my own eyes. So I started really using the Google and reading real world reports here there and everywhere. The one thing that I realized, there is a very vocal group of people who are members of every single forum on the internets. There are like 3-4 people who are members of every shooting forum that ever was and post on all of them day in and day out. Don't you people have something better to do? Anyway, when you really weed through the "amazing" reports from the vocal minority, you find a lot of more joe average type guys who don't have the best things to say but seem to get drowned out or shouted down by a couple people who allegedly have killed ten thousand game animals without a failure.
Is it all guerrilla marketing?
I think what happens a lot, is there are people who get to hunt all over the country or on ranches and are guide's that kill or whiteness lots of kills every year. The 215 kills. I have killed animals with them and no problems. I think there are WAY more people who get into long range hunting and don't practice enough or at all and take shots they shouldn't. They get a rifle that shoots 1/2"'at 100 yards and then think they can kill an animal at 1k. There are lots of bad long range shots taken. The more I shoot 1 k on paper the more I realize how much can change so fast. So you hear about how Bergers don't work because people try and shoot the shoulder. Or make bad long range shots. You do not want to shoulder punch an elk or deer with a vld. I am a bow hunter before I got into shooting. I always go for double lung. Only other bullet I would try is a LRAB. I personally have not had any issues with Bergers. Hybrids hold together better than VLD'S (thicker jacket). They can have clogged tips from polishing compound. So that needs to be checked.
To those of us that have a definition of bullet terminal performance that includes the bullet not coming apart before it's finished defeating the target, it's pure supporter foolishness to try to take what in any guise is nothing but a target bullet and to push it into hunting purposes.
For those of us that think (wrongly) that many light weight fragments won't lose speed and therefore killing power faster than large heavy still glued together bullets which have expanded a bit but not come apart it seems just right.
To me, it's abject supporter foolishness from supporters that almost by definition don't really get how living animals, physics or statistics work.
I have used many bullets over the years (Berger's, Barnes, Nosler ballistic tips and accubonds, partitions and now hammer bullets). I just like trying different things. I also have two different Sherman rifles not because they are better but because it was fun to do.
I haven't killed as many animals as some on here (in the 100's). But between me, my son and some buddies that I have taken hunting and used my rifle, I have been a part of 15 elk, 8 coues deer, 6 mule deer, 3 buffalo, a lot of whitetail deer (in Texas you could kill 2 bucks and 3 does) and a lot of pigs and a crap ton of coyotes. All of these animals were BEHIND the shoulder point of aim shots and the only ones that have gotten away without me finding them are coyotes and that is because they were on the run and I made a bad shot on it.
All of the big game mentioned were all recovered within 100-150 yards of where they were shot. Oddly enough, white tail deer were the ones that ran the furtherest after the shot. And all of this was while using all of these different billets except the hammer hunters as they are new to me.
I say all of this not to brag but to ask...how does one know where they hit an animal if they didn't recover it? I hear a lot of people say.."the animal got away and I hit it right behind the shoulder, I will never use such and such bullet again!" Even if you have a spotter, they can mess up and miss call your shot. I saw a guy shoot an elk and the spotter said he hit it right behind the shoulder and dropped it. Well the elk was still moving on the ground. We got up to it and he hit the elk in the spine a little far back and that's why it dropped. He still recovered the animal but it was a bad shot that would have been thought of as a good shot had he not recovered the animal.
Do bullets sometimes not perform as they should? Yup...seen that happen too. 180 Gr Berger out of a 30-06 on a mule deer at close range. Literally blew up on the shoulder and never went through to the vitals. The deer ran off and they almost didn't find it but when they did find it, it was laying down and very much alive. How do we know all of these details? Because the animal was recovered. I think a lot (not all) of these bullet arguments where the animal got away even though it was hit right behind the shoulder into the vitals is really a bunch of made up hoopla that the hunter wants to believe besides making a bad shot and I'm taking about any bullet used. Picture of deer below.
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I get that people become huge fans of bullets and rifles because that is their experience. I don't agree with them getting in and bashing others for not using them or saying that they didn't work out for them. I'm also not a huge fan of someone bashing people for using said bullet or rifle and calling them fan boys. People should just mind their own business on both sides and use what works for them.