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.338 Lapua & Nosler Accubond Bullets

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Axe1, Dec 30, 2003.

  1. Dec 30, 2003 #1
    Axe1

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    Ijust picked up some 225 gr. Nosler Accubond bullets and would like to load them in my .338 Lapua.I have H4831sc, Retumbo, IMR4350, and IMR7828 on hand.I however cannot find any load data for this combination. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Dec 31, 2003 #2
    Mark_in_utah

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    I don't have a load specific to the Lapua, but I do have one for the .338 RUM. Given that the RUM case is slightly smaller, it should be a decent starting point.

    Repeat, these loads are for the .338 RUM!
    H4831SC, 90.5 grains, 3095 fps
    WC852(s), 97.6 grains, 3236 fps (max load)
    H1000, 103 grains, 3106 fps

    Some of these are "warm" loads, and should be worked up to. My RUM likes WC852 and 4831 for that weight bullet, It's a fairly "full" load. I'd expect something similar, maybe leaning towards a slightly slower powder if your barrel is longer. Mine's 26".

    Hope this helps!

    Mark in Utah
     
  3. Dec 31, 2003 #3
    Axe1

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    Thanks for your help. Are you satisfied with the accuracy and performance of these bullets?
     
  4. Dec 31, 2003 #4
    Jay Kyle

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    According to my Quickload, Norma MRP looks to be the most 'accurate' load, however your IMR 7828 is pretty close as well. Unfortunately I dont' have any data on Retumbo in the program yet. Here's the numbers:

    Norma MRP
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    Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
    Bullet : .338, 225, NOS AccuBond 54357
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6 : 3.681 inch or 93.50 mm
    Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
    Powder : Norma MRP

    Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
    incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
    CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

    Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt Btime
    % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

    -20.0 77 75.05 2385 2843 29963 10967 93.7 1.640
    -18.0 79 76.92 2446 2990 32027 11303 94.9 1.598
    -16.0 81 78.80 2507 3141 34239 11621 96.0 1.557
    -14.0 83 80.68 2568 3295 36608 11920 96.9 1.517
    -12.0 85 82.55 2629 3453 39147 12198 97.8 1.470
    -10.0 87 84.43 2689 3614 41870 12454 98.5 1.425
    -08.0 89 86.31 2750 3777 44789 12686 99.1 1.381
    -06.0 91 88.18 2810 3944 47890 12893 99.5 1.338
    -04.0 93 90.06 2869 4112 51181 13072 99.8 1.298
    -02.0 95 91.93 2928 4283 54691 13224 100.0 1.259 ! HOT LOAD !
    +00.0 97 93.81 2986 4455 58436 13347 100.0 1.221 ! HOT LOAD !
    +02.0 98 95.69 3044 4629 62436 13460 100.0 1.185 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +04.0 100 97.56 3101 4805 66710 13569 100.0 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +06.0 102 99.44 3158 4982 71280 13675 100.0 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +08.0 104 101.31 3214 5161 76172 13776 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +10.0 106 103.19 3270 5341 81411 13872 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba 97 93.81 3112 4839 71214 12846 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba 97 93.81 2798 3911 46107 13481 97.0 1.351


    IMR 7828
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    Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
    Bullet : .338, 225, NOS AccuBond 54357
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6 : 3.681 inch or 93.50 mm
    Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
    Powder : IMR 7828

    Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
    incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
    CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

    Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt Btime
    % % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

    -20.0 80 75.05 2359 2780 30173 10515 88.5 1.618
    -18.0 82 76.92 2420 2926 32213 10881 90.0 1.576
    -16.0 84 78.80 2482 3077 34392 11235 91.4 1.535
    -14.0 86 80.68 2544 3233 36726 11577 92.7 1.495
    -12.0 88 82.55 2606 3392 39219 11904 93.9 1.449
    -10.0 90 84.43 2668 3556 41889 12215 95.0 1.403
    -08.0 92 86.31 2730 3724 44746 12508 96.0 1.360
    -06.0 94 88.18 2792 3896 47807 12781 96.9 1.318
    -04.0 96 90.06 2855 4071 51096 13033 97.7 1.278
    -02.0 98 91.93 2917 4250 54625 13262 98.3 1.239 ! HOT LOAD !
    +00.0 100 93.81 2979 4433 58416 13467 98.9 1.202 ! HOT LOAD !
    +02.0 102 95.69 3040 4618 62493 13646 99.3 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +04.0 104 97.56 3102 4806 66882 13798 99.7 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +06.0 106 99.44 3163 4997 71618 13922 99.9 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +08.0 108 101.31 3223 5190 76716 14017 100.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    +10.0 110 103.19 3283 5386 82186 14087 100.0 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

    Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
    Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    +Ba 100 93.81 3123 4871 70951 13062 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
    Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
    -Ba 100 93.81 2779 3859 47216 13079 92.9 1.322

    [ 12-31-2003: Message edited by: AlbertaBound ]
     
  5. Jan 1, 2004 #5
    Brown Dog

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    AlbertaBound,

    Would you be kind enough to enlighten me regarding the Quickload program? I am about to start reloading for my new 300win mag. Does the program actually suggest optimum powders? Norma factory ammo has been very accurate -and that has drawn me toward using MRP. Before that I was planning to use Vihtavouri 160 (with Nosler 180 BTs). Does Quickload actually suggest which will be more accurate - or have I misunderstood?!
     
  6. Jan 1, 2004 #6
    Brown Dog

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    Apologies if this appears twice; machine just said 'Software error' when I tried to post first time round.

    AlbertaBound,
    Would you be kind enough to enlighten me regarding the Quickload program? I am about to start reloading for my new 300win mag. Does the program actually suggest optimum powders? Norma factory ammo has been very accurate -and that has drawn me toward using MRP. Before that I was planning to use Vihtavouri 160 (with Nosler 180 BTs). Does Quickload actually suggest which will be more accurate - or have I misunderstood?!
     
  7. Jan 2, 2004 #7
    Jay Kyle

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    In a nutshell, it does, but you must remember it's a model, and so must be trued to actual firings. One of their selling features is you can spend a LOT of time prefecting a load without the program, or you can use the program to get you close to the optimum then spend much less time at the range and just fine tuning. I picked it up after a frustrating summer trying different combinations using methodologies such as ladder, modified ladder, etc (what a waste!). After a little modeling I built a load and was shooting .5 MOA right off the bat. Needless to say I was impressed.

    You can download a demo at www.neconos.com.

    There are a few tips to know when using the program, one of the first things I found out is on average, slow powders make for poor accuracy.

    Just to add, I also own a 300WM. Norma MRP models as the most accurate powder for this caliber, however there are others that come close. I went with Hodgdon H4350 'cause I hunt in hot and cold weather and want temperature stability.

    Email me your barrel length and bullet type and I'll send you a couple of models for you to look at.

    AB

    [ 01-02-2004: Message edited by: AlbertaBound ]