.308 Win Barrel Cut-Down Velocity Test

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RifleShooter.com .308 Win Barrel Cut-Down Velocity Test


With barrels, one wonders "Can a little more length provide a meaningful velocity gain?" To answer that question, Rifleshooter.com performed an interesting test, cutting a .308 Win barrel from 28″ all the way down to 16.5″. The cuts were made in one-inch intervals with a rotary saw. At each cut length, velocity was measured with a Magnetospeed chronograph. To make the test even more interesting, four different types of .308 Win factory ammunition were chronographed at each barrel length.





READ RifleShooter.com .308 Win Barrel Cut-Down Test Article.


Test Barrel Lost 22.7 FPS Per Inch (.308 Win Chambering)
How much velocity do you think was lost, on average, for each 1″ reduction in barrel length? The answer may surprise you. With a barrel reduction from 28″ to 16.5″, the average speed loss of the four types of .308 ammo was 261 fps total. That works out to an average loss of 22.7 fps per inch. This chart shows velocity changes for all four ammo varieties:

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Summary of Findings: The average velocity loss per inch, for all four ammo types combined, was 22.7 FPS. By ammo type, the average loss per inch was: 24.6 (Win 147 FMJ), 22.8 (IMI 150 FMJ), 20.9 (Fed GMM 168gr), and 22.5 (Win 180PP).

Interestingly, these numbers jive pretty well with estimates found in reloading manuals. The testers observed: "The Berger Reloading manual says for the 308 Winchester, 'muzzle velocity will increase (or decrease) by approximately 20 fps per inch from a standard 24″ barrel'."

How the Test Was Done
The testers described their procedure as follows: "Ballistic data was gathered using a Magnetospeed barrel mounted ballistic chronograph. At each barrel length, the rifle was fired from a front rest with rear bags, with five rounds of each type of ammunition. Average velocity and standard deviation were logged for each round. Since we would be gathering data on 52 different barrel length and ammunition combinations and would not be crowning the barrel after each cut, we decided to eliminate gathering data on group sizes. Once data was gathered for each cartridge at a given barrel length, the rifle was cleared and the bolt was removed. The barrel was cut off using a cold saw. The test protocol was repeated for the next length. Temperature was 47° F."

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CLICK HERE to Read the Rifleshooter.com Test. This includes detailed charts with inch-by-inch velocity numbers, multiple line charts, and complete data sets for each type of ammo. Rifleshooter.com also offers ballistics graphs showing trajectories with different barrel lengths. All in all, this was a very thorough test by the folks at RifleShooter.com.

Much Different Results with 6mmBR and a Longer Barrel
The results from Rifleshooter.com's .308 barrel cut-down test are quite different than the results we recorded some years ago with a barrel chambered for the 6mmBR cartridge. When we cut our 6mmBR barrel down from 33″ to 28″, we only lost about 8 FPS per inch. Obviously this is a different cartridge type, but also our 6mmBR barrel end length was 5″ longer than Rifleshooter.com's .308 Win start length. Velocity loss can be more extreme with shorter barrel lengths (and bigger cartridges). Powder burn rates can also make a difference.
 
It's a good use of a standard however you can change the equation when you change to an optimized burn rate for a longer or shorter barrel. He has a bunch of these tests and they can help decide for a shooter using the powders he is using.
 
It's a good use of a standard however you can change the equation when you change to an optimized burn rate for a longer or shorter barrel. He has a bunch of these tests and they can help decide for a shooter using the powders he is using.
Powder burn rate isn't really ever optimized to a barrel length, only cartridge size and bullet weight. It's quickload but it gives you some pretty good info.
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...215-berger-hybrids.211281/page-4#post-1524850
 
In his creed cut down he shows that 4350 actually loses speed after 24" out to the start length which I think was 27" Had he used 4955 or Rl26 he would have seen that the longer barrel would have still been gaining speed because the pressure curve had not dropped off. Same on the short end you'd lose less speed from a faster burn rate like Rl12 or 8208 because the pressure curve is better optimized for the short length. You might still be slower than Varget but your loss from the starting point will be less per inch and the flame effect out the barrel will be less
 
In his creed cut down he shows that 4350 actually loses speed after 24" out to the start length which I think was 27" Had he used 4955 or Rl26 he would have seen that the longer barrel would have still been gaining speed because the pressure curve had not dropped off. Same on the short end you'd lose less speed from a faster burn rate like Rl12 or 8208 because the pressure curve is better optimized for the short length. You might still be slower than Varget but your loss from the starting point will be less per inch and the flame effect out the barrel will be less
He was also shooting a barrel that was not broken in for the Creed cut down. Any barrel I've ever seen has sped up for the first 20 or so rounds
 
Seems like the 168's did better than the rest... I can't remember for the life of me, but wasn't the 168gr JBT bullet originally designed for the AMU shooting the .308 Winchester? Because I think the original .30-06 bullets were always 180gr... I know the .308 Win came out in 1952, just don't know when the first 168 BT's came around... Anyone know?
 
Seems like the 168's did better than the rest... I can't remember for the life of me, but wasn't the 168gr JBT bullet originally designed for the AMU shooting the .308 Winchester? Because I think the original .30-06 bullets were always 180gr... I know the .308 Win came out in 1952, just don't know when the first 168 BT's came around... Anyone know?
The original 06 was 173 They developed the 168 for 600yd engagements and I can't give you a timeline unfortunately
He was also shooting a barrel that was not broken in for the Creed cut down. Any barrel I've ever seen has sped up for the first 20 or so rounds
4350 is dropping pressure after 24" in the creed case. I don't doubt the new barrel was a bit slow. When you can change burn rates you can also manipulate the harmonics due to the pressure curve.
 
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2019/01/rifleshooter-com-308-win-barrel-cut-down-velocity-test/

RifleShooter.com .308 Win Barrel Cut-Down Velocity Test


With barrels, one wonders "Can a little more length provide a meaningful velocity gain?" To answer that question, Rifleshooter.com performed an interesting test, cutting a .308 Win barrel from 28″ all the way down to 16.5″. The cuts were made in one-inch intervals with a rotary saw. At each cut length, velocity was measured with a Magnetospeed chronograph. To make the test even more interesting, four different types of .308 Win factory ammunition were chronographed at each barrel length.





READ RifleShooter.com .308 Win Barrel Cut-Down Test Article.


Test Barrel Lost 22.7 FPS Per Inch (.308 Win Chambering)
How much velocity do you think was lost, on average, for each 1″ reduction in barrel length? The answer may surprise you. With a barrel reduction from 28″ to 16.5″, the average speed loss of the four types of .308 ammo was 261 fps total. That works out to an average loss of 22.7 fps per inch. This chart shows velocity changes for all four ammo varieties:

308cut03op.png


Summary of Findings: The average velocity loss per inch, for all four ammo types combined, was 22.7 FPS. By ammo type, the average loss per inch was: 24.6 (Win 147 FMJ), 22.8 (IMI 150 FMJ), 20.9 (Fed GMM 168gr), and 22.5 (Win 180PP).

Interestingly, these numbers jive pretty well with estimates found in reloading manuals. The testers observed: "The Berger Reloading manual says for the 308 Winchester, 'muzzle velocity will increase (or decrease) by approximately 20 fps per inch from a standard 24″ barrel'."

How the Test Was Done
The testers described their procedure as follows: "Ballistic data was gathered using a Magnetospeed barrel mounted ballistic chronograph. At each barrel length, the rifle was fired from a front rest with rear bags, with five rounds of each type of ammunition. Average velocity and standard deviation were logged for each round. Since we would be gathering data on 52 different barrel length and ammunition combinations and would not be crowning the barrel after each cut, we decided to eliminate gathering data on group sizes. Once data was gathered for each cartridge at a given barrel length, the rifle was cleared and the bolt was removed. The barrel was cut off using a cold saw. The test protocol was repeated for the next length. Temperature was 47° F."

308cut04.jpg


CLICK HERE to Read the Rifleshooter.com Test. This includes detailed charts with inch-by-inch velocity numbers, multiple line charts, and complete data sets for each type of ammo. Rifleshooter.com also offers ballistics graphs showing trajectories with different barrel lengths. All in all, this was a very thorough test by the folks at RifleShooter.com.

Much Different Results with 6mmBR and a Longer Barrel
The results from Rifleshooter.com's .308 barrel cut-down test are quite different than the results we recorded some years ago with a barrel chambered for the 6mmBR cartridge. When we cut our 6mmBR barrel down from 33″ to 28″, we only lost about 8 FPS per inch. Obviously this is a different cartridge type, but also our 6mmBR barrel end length was 5″ longer than Rifleshooter.com's .308 Win start length. Velocity loss can be more extreme with shorter barrel lengths (and bigger cartridges). Powder burn rates can also make a difference.
Interesting post! I wonder what was the effect on group size? Thanks for posting!
 
If I was looking for a short barrel powder I would look in the specialty handgun section and see what those guys run in their hand cannons.
 
If I was looking for a short barrel powder I would look in the specialty handgun section and see what those guys run in their hand cannons.
Alliant Power Pro 300-MP or Hogdgon CFE-BLK is pretty much the slowest magnum handgun powders I can think of.
 
8208 in a short tube is excellent. It is also my goto for hunting with 150's I load my ex wife's cousin's 760 with a 16.6 or 17" barrel and it is very good with ballistic tips from 150-180. Varget seems to make a much larger fireball along with Rl15. 4064 shoots well but I never seem to get any speed out of it. I have 14ish#s of it and I wish it would shoot the same at speed as it does at the starting charge weights 200fps slower than everything else I use in an 08
 
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