I had talked to the Hornady rep and he said that the jacket is softer than the ELD jacket that is why you need the A tip seater, that being the case then they would like it closer, I will try about 30 loads ,like you said I don't waste bullets working up loads,2 shot per load ,IFFFF they don't work then will use my tuner and if that does not work will make some heavy FANCY Ear Rings,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to sell, Pete