If I wanted a 'short' 270, I believe that I would use a 260 or 7-08. I thonk that if uou shorten a 270, much below 22" all you'll have is muzzle blast and nothing over the '08 based cartridges. capt david /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif