quigley257
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I don't foresee Xeros being fire saled any time soon. They are a long overdue answer to the poor customer service and hassle of the LR.
Labradar LX - I guess they have an answer for the Garmin Zero. Maybe?
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FireFlyFishing
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I hope you're right. I'll buy the garmin used at half price!
Ucsdryder
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No. What's missing is the fact that the LR SUCKS! Add a tripod mount, a tripod, a carry case, an alignment sight, and a trigger and it MIGHT work as well as the garmin.
waspocrew
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And…. You have an app that never functions correctly. LR really needed some revamping. The Garmin flat out works.
Ucsdryder
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Good point. I never used the app, the down range BC, etc.
Don't forget the garmin works on basically any projectile, including archery, etc. I think I saw somewhere that it worked with a thrown baseball.
It's already been done by @orkan I believe. I was watching a video he was doing comparing the "big 3" side x side.
It did work.
lilharcher
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LR was so temperamental, especially on my smokeless ML. Garmin works perfect. So glad I sold my LR the exact day the Garmin came out……instantly obsolete. And I have never even thought about looking back. So even if LR came out with something new, I bet 75%+ of people who originally had a LR wouldn't believe it, nor buy it.
I don't have one, but by comparison I would rather have the True Ballistic Chronograph from FX Airguns. At a retail price of $1K it cost more than LR and Xero, but has some beneficial features. Namely, a long life, rechargeable, internal battery. It measures speed from 400-4000 fps and speeds at user programmable distances down range. It calculates the BC for each shot as well as the average BC over a string of shots. As you could discern from the name of the manufacturer, it will measure the speed of projectiles down to BB. Watching reviews online, dimensionally it's larger than the Xero, but smaller than the LR and it appears to be as easy to set up as the Xero.
The feature that most interest me is the ability to calculate the average BC. Perhaps, the Xero or the new LR might add this feature in a future update, but for now the TB is the only one to that has it.
The feature that most interest me is the ability to calculate the average BC. Perhaps, the Xero or the new LR might add this feature in a future update, but for now the TB is the only one to that has it.
I've had a LabRadar for a long time. The USB port gave up recently so I switched to using batteries. That actually solved an intermittent problem where it would stop communicating with the app. I also found that if there was another blue tooth signal nearby it would sometimes interfere. I use an iPad for the app and if I left my phone bluetooth on it caused problems. All I care about is MV. Once I added an external trigger I stopped having intermittent problems with the LR missing data. I finally have it working pretty well. I have a Garmin. I haven't used it yet. It's smaller. I like that. It's SD calc is correct. Average velocity is correct.
The Garmin brought to light that the LR was using the wrong calc for SD and that there were rounding errors in the average velocity calc. I made a spreadsheet that's basically a load data card that does all of the calcs for me, for each group, so that doesn't bother me (not true... it bugs the **** out of me otherwise I wouldn't have made the spreadsheet). I print the top portion and write the readings down as I shoot. When I get home I put the numbers in the sheet and transfer the values to my target (the target has places to record the data.
I'm keeping my spreadsheet but will probably take both the LR and Garmin to the range until I feel like I can trust the Garmin. I'm not going to set both of them up. In my work world I've calibrated transmitters in the past. Some sites had two, one for redundancy. When I was an I&E tech we said that one device gave us the answer, two was a discussion (which one is right), and three are an argument. I just need the answer.
The Garmin brought to light that the LR was using the wrong calc for SD and that there were rounding errors in the average velocity calc. I made a spreadsheet that's basically a load data card that does all of the calcs for me, for each group, so that doesn't bother me (not true... it bugs the **** out of me otherwise I wouldn't have made the spreadsheet). I print the top portion and write the readings down as I shoot. When I get home I put the numbers in the sheet and transfer the values to my target (the target has places to record the data.
I'm keeping my spreadsheet but will probably take both the LR and Garmin to the range until I feel like I can trust the Garmin. I'm not going to set both of them up. In my work world I've calibrated transmitters in the past. Some sites had two, one for redundancy. When I was an I&E tech we said that one device gave us the answer, two was a discussion (which one is right), and three are an argument. I just need the answer.
I have owned a LR since the spring of 2015 and am considering buying a second one for my son. I agree, the customer service has been excellent. I haven't had any issues with the unit. My inquiries to LR were related to my "technically challenged" handicap. The learning curve of this 76 year old seems to be transitioning into a "learning obstruction". Lol.
It is good to see the success of the Garmin. The competition in this technology is good for us, the users.
BachelorJack
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If you want a deal--let me know. My brother was slow to sell his after the Garmin came out. Now he can't give it away.
It works like every other labradar I've ever seen. No issues.
It drops the connection to your phone randomly--like normal.
Is complicated to get perfectly aimed and remember how to use--like normal.
It easily blows over in a strong gusting wind--like normal.
It's phone app is glitch and crude--like normal.
It's screen is pretty worthless and makes it hard to see your data at a glance--like normal.
And it requires an external battery pack, a cable for the battery pack, a tripod, a pile of 8 or so fresh AA batteries if you somehow forgot the battery pack or cable even if it had new batteries left in it from last time--like normal.
So if you want another to give to your son. Holler at me. Hopefully he never finds out what a Garmin chrono is or how it works. Maybe he doesn't have YouTube and lives in a commune...
BHP9
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I got on LR's mailing list when they were first announced, the estimated price was $575. About 2 months later the price changed to $575 USD. I won't deal with a Canadian company that works in USD that's just a money grab IMO.
IIRC it was about 2 years later when it was finally released. Within 3 months of sales the issues started to come out, plus the excuses from the company.
A friend bought 3 of then and was chronoman at a major pistol match. One died, then a second died and finally the third died - all died within a 2 hour period. AFAIK he had them repaired and got rid of them.
I have a PACT Professional and 3 Shooting Chrony's and they all work.
Screw you LR, the company can die anytime for me.
IIRC it was about 2 years later when it was finally released. Within 3 months of sales the issues started to come out, plus the excuses from the company.
A friend bought 3 of then and was chronoman at a major pistol match. One died, then a second died and finally the third died - all died within a 2 hour period. AFAIK he had them repaired and got rid of them.
I have a PACT Professional and 3 Shooting Chrony's and they all work.
Screw you LR, the company can die anytime for me.
Mike If you have the link to the video, please post. I'd like to see it.
