memtb
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I'm one of the "old guys" that is also very fond of a 270, in grains…..not a measure of diameter! memtb
Meanwhile on RS they're killin bear, deer, elk , and moose with .223 and 77gr TMK.
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I'm one of the "old guys" that is also very fond of a 270, in grains…..not a measure of diameter! memtb
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Arrows just bounce off
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Hey Charlie, I was the 270 Guy on call this weekend. So it was my turn to say something "Smart A...s " LOL!!!!
By the way, Why is Kieth Richard's father on this blog???
By the way, Why is Kieth Richard's father on this blog???
Small Lady
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Ethical hunters use nothing less than a Rigby 600 express.
There I said it.
You 3?? guys just wounding poor Bambi.
I didn't want to have to do this, but you left me no choice.
There I said it.
You 3?? guys just wounding poor Bambi.
I didn't want to have to do this, but you left me no choice.
I don't remember when this article was released, I remember reading it in one of the rags, but all I heard from my cousin was 270 yada yada yada. He owned 2 rifles, a 1965 Winchester Model 70 270 Winchester and a 9422M that I now have after he passed. I have the sister to the 270, a 1965 Winchester Model 70 30'06, both bought at Leonard Brothers in downtown Fort Worth. If any of y'all remember the trolley/subway in downtown Fort Worth, that was originally Leonard Brother's. My uncle, his dad bought all 5 of the nephews Model 70s the year they were born. I got the only 30'06 because my cousin was born a few weeks before me and they only had two Model 70s on the rack. No regrets from me.
The .270 Is Still The Classic Cartridge - Union Sportsmen's Alliance
Craig Boddington Among middle-aged shooters like myself the .270 Winchester is best known as Jack O’Connor’s cartridge. Truly a man of letters, as a young man O’Connor wrote three pretty…
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Now, his dad was a 243 guy, and he flat killed everything he pointed that thing at. Mid - late 70s my three uncles, 4 cousins and myself jumped in an old Oldsmobile station wagon, the type that had the little windows up along the roofline and drove straight to Van Horn, Texas at Christmas. It was so warm, us boys were playing football while the uncle's sat up the tent and camp. Our game was interrupted by one of my cousins yelling there's a mule deer, my uncle Eddie grabbed that 243 and chambered a round and fired before we kids could all turn to find it. It was in a dead run, it took all five of us kids to drag it all the way back to camp. My cousin Chuck said, I ain't ever gonna sass uncle Eddie, he shoots to **** fast and too **** good.
I'll never be without a 270I don't remember when this article was released, I remember reading it in one of the rags, but all I heard from my cousin was 270 yada yada yada. He owned 2 rifles, a 1965 Winchester Model 70 270 Winchester and a 9422M that I now have after he passed. I have the sister to the 270, a 1965 Winchester Model 70 30'06, both bought at Leonard Brothers in downtown Fort Worth. If any of y'all remember the trolley/subway in downtown Fort Worth, that was originally Leonard Brother's. My uncle, his dad bought all 5 of the nephews Model 70s the year they were born. I got the only 30'06 because my cousin was born a few weeks before me and they only had two Model 70s on the rack. No regrets from me.
The .270 Is Still The Classic Cartridge - Union Sportsmen's Alliance
Craig Boddington Among middle-aged shooters like myself the .270 Winchester is best known as Jack O’Connor’s cartridge. Truly a man of letters, as a young man O’Connor wrote three pretty…
Now, his dad was a 243 guy, and he flat killed everything he pointed that thing at. Mid - late 70s my three uncles, 4 cousins and myself jumped in an old Oldsmobile station wagon, the type that had the little windows up along the roofline and drove straight to Van Horn, Texas at Christmas. It was so warm, us boys were playing football while the uncle's sat up the tent and camp. Our game was interrupted by one of my cousins yelling there's a mule deer, my uncle Eddie grabbed that 243 and chambered a round and fired before we kids could all turn to find it. It was in a dead run, it took all five of us kids to drag it all the way back to camp. My cousin Chuck said, I ain't ever gonna sass uncle Eddie, he shoots to **** fast and too **** good.
I think pretty much everyone understands the ethics of hunting here, "God gave us these creatures to use not abuse." I don't think anyone is really talking about taking wounding-suffering shots on game with a small caliber(s) any more than black powder folks, archers, and pistol & revolver hunters would... I don't want to drive into the weeds with this... I just don't think these hunters here have forgotten, being ethical in the hunt. IMO Cheers.
I hope that folks understand I wasn't, and am currently not trying to start an argument. Our rules do however state that ethics are off the table. There is a **** good reason for that.
As far as my comment regarding Canadian gun laws my position stands. I'm from Idaho and we tend to have a strong dislike of gov't intervention. For that I don't apologize.
As far as my comment regarding Canadian gun laws my position stands. I'm from Idaho and we tend to have a strong dislike of gov't intervention. For that I don't apologize.
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A lot of generalizations here. Sometimes this forum seems like the facebook of long range hunting.
My choice of gun has absolutely nothing to do with ego; I'm to old for that crap. It has everything to do with the respect I have for people that have witnessed hundreds of elk shot over multiple decades. 100% of the Elk guides that I have spoken with have said start with the 7mms, and preferred the 30 cals. They reported the largest percentage of problems they saw were with the 6.5s and 270s. Maybe that's because they're so popular? Not my call. I chose to go with one of the "over hyped" PRCs, the 300. I only weigh about 160#, and it wasn't hard to learn how to shoot at all; I had it out to 1000yrds on steel the past two years. This gun, and the bullet I shot, just might have saved my *** this year with a little unanticipated event that happened just as I was squeezing off my shot at the biggest bull of my life, this year. While I appreciate all of the different opinions here, I choose to follow the recommendations I have from people that have witnessed 100s of elk shot.
I saw that thread on RS. It was mildly interesting, but did not convince me to start carrying a 223 for elk. I think we would all learn more by studying the failures than success pics.
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Hey Small Lady, That was funny. I just came from a deer hunt where a really great guy, a doctor, was showing us all some of his African cartridges. Now I worked in a pretty big gun shop for a lot of years , when I was young, and I have NEVER seen or held a 600 Nitro. Express round . Nickle plated case and a big solid. He and his father used it to take a huge Elephant and Cape Buffalo in Africa, a few years back. I swear, I would not want to shoot it. Showed us the 500 or 550 grn solid bullet, recovered from the animal's head. It was slightly bent but not deformed at all. It was really Impressive, as was his gorgeous double rifle. That (to me ) is the opposite end of this thread," how small a 22 cal bullet can you use and still kill game", compared to the largest rounds , made just to kill the giants of the planet!!! I love to learn about Rifles and Loads and Ballistics, and that conversation holding that 600 express round , was a real lesson for me.
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.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.
I haven't tried the Gameking or the Gold dots (yet!) but they are both on my list. an acquaintance has urged me to try 55 grain Nosler ballistic tips after having used it on deer with good results so thats the next experiment. So far the 55 grain Hornadys and both 52-53 Matchkings have been...
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"Just for fun, guess which deer was shot with a 223/77 tmk, and which one was a 300 win mag/ 180 TTSX. Both shots sub 100 yards."
I'm sure no one thinks that, I like you understand the government part as well, I lived in Idaho near Boise for 15-plus years and hunted all over the state.
Nor do you have to apologize, you're just stating your belief and experance... can't get much more American than that! Cheers
Small Lady
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Couldn't agree with you more.
Which is why shooting accurately is so important.
If someone only sees quick and successful kills, with 6mm, 243, 223, 30-30, etc then the only conclusion they can come to is they work extremely well.
In the same way that someone who sees animals run off, when shot with a 300, 308, 338, etc can form their idea of how they don't work well. Maybe they do work okay, but the shooter sucks.
Me, I would bet my money on the best shooter, not if they were carrying a 243 or 338.
When I hear/read stories about people who rarely shoot, don't even know how to 0 their rifle, much less properly account for longer shots, and adjust accordingly, those are the unethical hunters in my opinion.
If the government wants to impose rules and regulations, how about instead of cartridge, they make it on proficiency.
To get your tags annually, you must first every year show up on designated days at a range. Upon arriving you have brought exactly 20 rounds with you, and at 100 yards must hit 4 out of 4 targets the size of a quarter. At 200 yards 4 out 4 twice the size of a quarter. At 300 three time the size of a quarter 4 out of 4 times. And the same thing at 400, and 500 yards, where the target is only 4 and 5 times the size of a quarter, 4 out of 4 times. If you miss once, you'll be allowed to retest after 30 days. That qualifies people to hunt up to 500 yards only. If someone wants to qualify for longer ranges, they can try, but the targets no longer get larger, or else the error factor is too huge. They must hit a target 5 times the diameter of a quarter, 4 out of 4 times, at the range they wish to qualify to hunt at.
5 times the diameter of a quarter is pretty large, if they cannot be accurate on something that BIG, well then they best get practicing. It would also assure their rifle is properly sighted, and they have a clue about bullet drop, windage, etc.
Dude A, who has a 243, and is a good shooter, is a vastly more ethical hunter, than Dude B, who can't shoot worth crap but has a 338.
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Couldn't agree with you more.
Which is why shooting accurately is so important.
If someone only sees quick and successful kills, with 6mm, 243, 223, 30-30, etc then the only conclusion they can come to is they work extremely well.
In the same way that someone who sees animals run off, when shot with a 300, 308, 338, etc can form their idea of how they don't work well. Maybe they do work okay, but the shooter sucks.
Me, I would bet my money on the best shooter, not if they were carrying a 243 or 338.
When I hear/read stories about people who rarely shoot, don't even know how to 0 their rifle, much less properly account for longer shots, and adjust accordingly, those are the unethical hunters in my opinion.
If the government wants to impose rules and regulations, how about instead of cartridge, they make it on proficiency.
To get your tags annually, you must first every year show up on designated days at a range. Upon arriving you have brought exactly 20 rounds with you, and at 100 yards must hit 4 out of 4 targets the size of a quarter. At 200 yards 4 out 4 twice the size of a quarter. At 300 three time the size of a quarter 4 out of 4 times. And the same thing at 400, and 500 yards, where the target is only 4 and 5 times the size of a quarter, 4 out of 4 times. If you miss once, you'll be allowed to retest after 30 days. That qualifies people to hunt up to 500 yards only. If someone wants to qualify for longer ranges, they can try, but the targets no longer get larger, or else the error factor is too huge. They must hit a target 5 times the diameter of a quarter, 4 out of 4 times, at the range they wish to qualify to hunt at.
5 times the diameter of a quarter is pretty large, if they cannot be accurate on something that BIG, well then they best get practicing. It would also assure their rifle is properly sighted, and they have a clue about bullet drop, windage, etc.
Dude A, who has a 243, and is a good shooter, is a vastly more ethical hunter, than Dude B, who can't shoot worth crap but has a 338.
