No problem we can get coyotes to bring Chinese lead across the border. It's not about the environment but garnering votes from the crazies. No lead and now lithium ion batteries: I am sure they are just fine for the Greens and climate change fools. We need to stop those volcanos from blasting us with bad things. What exactly did leaded gasoline and lead based paint do
Primer issues... does anyone have insight to the new lead-free primers mandated by the government with aluminum as a catalyst?
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Nipper
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Funny. How they didn't do anything to rid the country of all the copper piping used to connect to peoples houses from the water mains out in the streets and plumbing fixtures in the houses. They're all full of sheep dip!!
Mike Matteson
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The copper pipes inside your home or from the water main to meter. Water main to meter generally isn't solder. They are compression fitting. As far as solder inside the home. It was 50/50 for a great many years. Then changed to Silver solder. Now it's plastic pipe rolled type mostly. Unless the water is the problem of pulling out the lead from the solder joints, there isn't a problem. The Fed's started requesting lead tests in the late 80's or very early 90's. So depending on what the drinking water is made up on, will effect the lead. This was an annual test and if there no problems, it moves out to about 3 years or so.
Now in the east, they used white lead piping for connection from mainlines to meters. From what I understand they haven't removed those connection yet in a lot of those areas. How they get by with it, I don't know. Flint M. is a place that made the news and still in the news from time to time even now. Due to White lead, and water makeup.
They don't have the money to replace those lines. The problem is funds, were taken from the water system spent in other places. They don't take the extra funds sit it aside for replace, or set up a depreciable asset funds. They spend it on other things. Example of this it Los Angeles Depart of Water and Power. They have taken 100's if not billions from water and power, and spent it on other items. They didn't sit aside the funds for deprecation and replace cost. Now they are going back and telling the people they have to raise there prices to replace the old equipment, they ****ed away the funds that should have been held for that. It's is also hard to get into setting aside funds for deprecation. I put in about 30 years on a Water Board of Directors in a small district.
When I was a kid in rural Louisiana, we didn't have an "ecosystem." There were lead pipes, copper pipes, soldered gutters for water into the cistern. Agrichemicals in the air very often that the rain washed into our water. DDT, Chlordane, Arsenic, HeptaChlor, leaded gasoline, lead based paint, creosote wood products for fence post and piers. We burned our own trash. And of course the brakes, gaskets, insulation and all was asbestos. And of course we had no air conditioning at all and butane for hot water heater, stove and space heaters. Now California leads us a merry chase to do away with all those bad things and will replace them with windmills, solar electric cars with huge heavy metal batteries. Where does the tire material go as tires wear out? HaHa We are fools...
memtb
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Will, as much as I'd like to totally agree with you.....some of the restrictions are for our on good!
In the '70's I saw a color coded map of the US.....about a 50 mile wide swath each side of the Mississippi from St. Loius to the gulf had the highest cancer rates per capita of anywhere in the nation. I've lost too many friends and relatives in Louisiana to cancer
I worked at a paper mill, and to this day can't believe the effluent from the mill dumped, untreated directly into the Mississippi just north of Baton Rouge!
Some controls are necessary.....some are for pure control! memtb
Hard rock
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My 99 year old aunt had a emergency surgery , that the nurse said she won't make it thru the surgery . She came into the waiting room with a surprised look and said I can't believe she made it . My cousin responded , well you can thank her longevity and good health too all the fresh vegetables she ate sprayed with DDT and all the fried foods she fried with Hog Lord .
Muddyboots
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Part of the real problem is municipalities did not hire qualified operators to insure correct buffering, pH and other phosphate treatments were being performed on schedule. It was a cost they chose not to continue which resulted lead leaching from the old lead pipe. In addition, improper high pressure flushing caused interior pipe damage exposing and removing scale higher in lead concentrations.
The lead exposure should have never happened. Should lead pipe be removed? Yes, with an annual budget over time. Again, not done, money used elsewhere. This was simple water treatment chemistry that a TRAINED CERTIFIED water treatment operator can do one hand behind their back.
Another example of government colossal failure to protect the people they are expected to serve. This should have been criminal but government immunity protects far too many incompetent officials.
The lead exposure should have never happened. Should lead pipe be removed? Yes, with an annual budget over time. Again, not done, money used elsewhere. This was simple water treatment chemistry that a TRAINED CERTIFIED water treatment operator can do one hand behind their back.
Another example of government colossal failure to protect the people they are expected to serve. This should have been criminal but government immunity protects far too many incompetent officials.
Remember clean primers may have a half life measured in years and not decades. It may be a push to target long term storage of components or ammunition. I've had primers fail after a few years that were lead free or clean and WW 2 Canadian 9M/M that is still 100% reliable.
Yes, the Mississippi has long been the Nation's sewer and they drink it and make beer with it in New Orleans. In the early days beginning with using DDT in WWII to stop malaria from killing our people in the Pacific, there were major abuses. Wise use of insecticides and other chemicals is the answer not prohibition. Shutting down copper and lead mining and refining just shifts that work to other nations at great expense to us. If aluminum based primer explosives are safer, more reliable and less expensive than lead, fine, but stopping the use of lead in primers for any other reason is just political games to please the utopian thinkers.
Muddyboots
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Ok, guilty as charged on hijack of the OP question. My bad, apologize.
Starlite
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Was this thread just click bait. I'm going to eat some cheese spread sandwich and some Mac and cheese in a copper bowl. I thought I was not to eat from aluminium pots. 
Article is Everything You Never Knew About Primers, and the New Technology That's Revolutionizing Them by John B. Snow. Published June 30, 2018
Article is Everything You Never Knew About Primers, and the New Technology That's Revolutionizing Them by John B. Snow. Published June 30, 2018
Article is Everything You Never Knew About Primers, and the New Technology That's Revolutionizing Them by John B. Snow. Published June 30, 2018
