I Hate Hammer Bullets!

Ok, here is my gripe:
I WANT a bullet to be specifically designed to perform for a specific "cartridge" not a broad range caliber. I WANT the bullet to perform PERFECTLY across all velocities profiles for the cartridge and be compatible to ALL barrel twists. The bullet MUST provide maximum velocity regardless of barrel length.

C'mon man why not? I double dare you!
 
Ok, here is my gripe:
I WANT a bullet to be specifically designed to perform for a specific "cartridge" not a broad range caliber. I WANT the bullet to perform PERFECTLY across all velocities profiles for the cartridge and be compatible to ALL barrel twists. The bullet MUST provide maximum velocity regardless of barrel length.

C'mon man why not? I double dare you!
I want my bullets to make me a PB and J sangwich too. We can't always have everything.
 
I can understand your want for this but i don't see that as a good course of action at this point for their company. That would increase their tooling and production costs not to mention takes considerable effort for the learning curve. It's a completely different skill-set that would require knowledge of cutting/ forming dies in succession to form bullets. At this point if they wanted to increase production they could even send their program to another trusted (confidential, non disclosure waiver/ agreement) company or machine shop and have more bullets produced. They could produce mono match bullets but again I don't see the point at this juncture. Reason being is they have a niche following, and as one member pointed out their bullets work in an operating range that fits the majority of hunters. IMO the time and money would be better focused on establishing baseline BC's and maybe showing terminal results. Hunter are reporting satisfaction with the terminal results so reinforced that. An honest baseline BC will help customers get on target quicker so saves more bullets for hunts.
An honest baseline bc. I can assure you there is no reason for us to be dishonest. Dishonesty is a death nail for business. With that said we have our bc numbers as accurate as we can get them. It does us no good to publish the lowest number we have ever seen from a rifle that tanks the bc and call that the baseline in the same way that it does us no good to publish a bc that is inflated and not possible. We are no diff than anyone else, we want high bc too. We also are fine with having lower bc than bullets that don't work as well in game. We have made those bullets and fortunately we were able to test them on elk before we launched that line of high bc hunting bullets. We had them working consistently in media. If we had not had late season deprivation elk tags we would have taken them to market. We took those bullets out and killed some elk with them. They died slow deaths. If we had taken that line of high bc bullets to market we would have much bigger problems than customers that love our product so much they irritate people because the talk too much about it. We would be struggling right now to shake a reputation for poor terminal performance. I thank God often that we tested on live animals and not just media with those bullets. It very well could have put us out of business. If the day comes that we can come up with a high bc hunting bullet that works as well for terminal performance as our current bullets, that will be cool. I don't think it is possible. We will keep trying.

bc is a fluid number. Diff from day to day and particularly from rifle to rifle.
 
An honest baseline bc. I can assure you there is no reason for us to be dishonest. Dishonesty is a death nail for business. With that said we have our bc numbers as accurate as we can get them. It does us no good to publish the lowest number we have ever seen from a rifle that tanks the bc and call that the baseline in the same way that it does us no good to publish a bc that is inflated and not possible. We are no diff than anyone else, we want high bc too. We also are fine with having lower bc than bullets that don't work as well in game. We have made those bullets and fortunately we were able to test them on elk before we launched that line of high bc hunting bullets. We had them working consistently in media. If we had not had late season deprivation elk tags we would have taken them to market. We took those bullets out and killed some elk with them. They died slow deaths. If we had taken that line of high bc bullets to market we would have much bigger problems than customers that love our product so much they irritate people because the talk too much about it. We would be struggling right now to shake a reputation for poor terminal performance. I thank God often that we tested on live animals and not just media with those bullets. It very well could have put us out of business. If the day comes that we can come up with a high bc hunting bullet that works as well for terminal performance as our current bullets, that will be cool. I don't think it is possible. We will keep trying.

bc is a fluid number. Diff from day to day and particularly from rifle to rifle.
Like I said in my post hunters seem to be happy with the your terminal performance of your bullets. The beauty of cnc or swiss machines is it just takes programming to adjust. Maybe some tooling, feed rate, or other esoteric variables to make changes. So you can make improvements quickly as needed. I've seen you make statements on making improvements. That's a strongpoint. And others have stated that your bullets fit into the operating range of most hunters. So high bc really isn't needed. So I stand by my comment that a baseline bc imo serve you best. As well as illustrations of your terminal performance. That's pretty much the last I'll say on the topic. I'm tired with it. Use it, ignore it, whatever you wish. I truly wish you the best and success. I have no reason not to.
 
It would be really cool to have an app like what Hornady has for longer shots. It's probably my only complaint is not having them in a kestrel or some kind of a shortcut for longer distances. But I can imagine where something like that isn't cheap or easy.
 
Oops one last thing. I see that I did post "honest baseline". I want to be clear I am not saying that you you have been dishonest at any point. I would have no knowledge of any such behavior. So you were right to bring that up. I apologize for the possibility of causing any issues there. All I am saying is that a good baseline bc will help your customers.
 
I scanned through the posts and did not find any complaints regarding load data. I know I can find information by searching through spreadsheets created by others suggestion, but it would be great if there was a manual that was compiled using vigorously tested parameters for Hammer bullets. I understand the issues and expense incurred in developing and maintaining an official manual, but it would be great to have this for reference.
 
"I HATE HAMMER BULLETS" ............. because,

There are just too many choices in every single diameter. Just when I thought I had the perfect weight for my cartridge and twist someone posts the virtues of a different weight or style Hammer.

Example: I thought the 124gr was perfect for my (then) new 6.5 Creed. They shot great and dropped whitetails reliably. Soon after the 110gr was seeming to be a better option for the small case. Now I'm watching as many of the Hammer boys shoot the 85gr at velocities that were unheard of in such a small case. How is a guy to settle on a bullet?

There - I finally found a reason to Hate the Hammers and to get on Steve's thread.
 
Tired Wake Up GIF by Looney Tunes
 
We'll, these hammer bullets better be the best thing since sliced bread because I'm having my Winchester 70, 25-06 rebarreled specifically to shoot the 116 grain, I tried them in the rifle with factory barrel, and they shots about a 4" group at a hundred, so we'll see.
 
I love all bullets that fit in my guns! but we could be more WOKE and change the language a bit to something less white (being a old white guy myself) than hammer. Armstrong Bullets: Thinking about Louis Armstrong singing about "my jellyroll." ain't nothing white about that!!!
 
I can't say I dislike hammer bullets the slightest bit but I will add the two typical compliant I hear are low BC per weight class and cost. I feel like cost is acceptable for the material and style type of bullet. The BC possibily could be improved but it challenges the design Steve and Co settle on for performance. Maybe a tipped version??
 
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