6.5 PRC load question

Thanks a lot Lynn, I appreciate it. I am shooting a proof 20" so I'm thinking 2850 would probably be around my max velocity. I have a very small quantity of RL26 unfortunately, it has been really hard to find in Anchorage for a while.
If it was safe/legal to mail I would help you out. It was hard to get before the shortage & I backordered from 3 places. After long waits they all came through.
I think H1000 or one of the VV powders I haven't tried might give great results with better temperature stability.
2850 is smoking from a 20" barrel. I'd be real happy with that. Best wishes for a wonderful summer. Hoping you get some of that Alaskan fishing I see in videos in.
God Bless, Lynn
 
Thanks a lot Lynn, I appreciate it. I am shooting a proof 20" so I'm thinking 2850 would probably be around my max velocity. I have a very small quantity of RL26 unfortunately, it has been really hard to find in Anchorage for a while.
2850-2900 would be expected with the right powder. RL26 or N560 should get you there without issue. I run 2915 with RL 26 in a 22" proof and its not a hot load. I recently ran a test on 153 A Tips with the same charge I run the 156 and they are 2960. Shot that test load a couple weekends ago in 85-90F and all was good in the hood. No issues and wicked accurate.
 
2850-2900 would be expected with the right powder. RL26 or N560 should get you there without issue. I run 2915 with RL 26 in a 22" proof and its not a hot load. I recently ran a test on 153 A Tips with the same charge I run the 156 and they are 2960. Shot that test load a couple weekends ago in 85-90F and all was good in the hood. No issues and wicked accurate.
I have 2 6.5 PRC built by GAP on XM actions. Both with Bartlein barrels. One is 26" & 1 is 24". I lose ~ 100 fps with the 24" on same load over the 26". This is in line with what the Gunwerks Longe Range Podcast were describing; up to 50 fps loss per inch in mag type rounds with slow burning powders & 25-30 fps in cartridges like 6.5 CM & .308 with med burn powders.
im glad you'll have outstanding barrels and everyone being happy is all that matters…..wishing a great evening to all.
 
I have 2 6.5 PRC built by GAP on XM actions. Both with Bartlein barrels. One is 26" & 1 is 24". I lose ~ 100 fps with the 24" on same load over the 26". This is in line with what the Gunwerks Longe Range Podcast were describing; up to 50 fps loss per inch in mag type rounds with slow burning powders & 25-30 fps in cartridges like 6.5 CM & .308 with med burn powders.
im glad you'll have outstanding barrels and everyone being happy is all that matters…..wishing a great evening to all.
Haven't seen or experienced that in the prc. I'm not sure I'd categorize it as a magnum either. Same basic case capacity as a 6.5-284 and it performs similarly albeit a bit better. My 18" sure doesn't loose 200 fps in comparison as well. It's not broke in but so far it shows 100 fps difference.
 
I'm running 56.8 of RL26 with the 131 Hammer Hunters, ADG brass, 22" 7.5 twist proof and am pushing around 3125 FPS, 1/2 MOA. I was thinking I would get more out of it but I started getting pressure at 57 which I find odd as I see some of the charges being loaded with heavier projectiles. I loaded up some 156 Bergers to try out this weekend and will report back. I'm also going to experiment with some IMR4955 with the Hammer and see how it goes.
 

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I'm running 56.8 of RL26 with the 131 Hammer Hunters, ADG brass, 22" 7.5 twist proof and am pushing around 3125 FPS, 1/2 MOA. I was thinking I would get more out of it but I started getting pressure at 57 which I find odd as I see some of the charges being loaded with heavier projectiles. I loaded up some 156 Bergers to try out this weekend and will report back. I'm also going to experiment with some IMR4955 with the Hammer and see how it goes.
Solids can't be compared. A 120 is about the same as 143 in how it acts in relation to pressure.
 
Congratulations on the speed you get out of such a short barrel. A short barrel is nice to carry around hunting or just playing with targets. They really are a pleasure. Due to being so physically fit and having a lot of strength (weight lifting) I have never cared if a rifle was a little heavy. I'm an old man now & it becomes more difficult to maintain the same level of fitness. If I thought I could get 2900 fps with 156s out of a 22" barrel I would rebarrel that way next time. I can only go off of what I see & I don't see it happening for me. I'm also sticking with Bartlein due to my history of always getting excellent quality. I also understand losing speed just means a few extra clicks, but when you pay for a custom you should get what makes you happy & I like speed.
I'm very happy you have the results you have. I'm not doubting you, but based on what I see with the slower burning powders I would never get what you see. Congrats to you on your rifle & best wishes to you moving forward.
Lynn
 
Congratulations on the speed you get out of such a short barrel. A short barrel is nice to carry around hunting or just playing with targets. They really are a pleasure. Due to being so physically fit and having a lot of strength (weight lifting) I have never cared if a rifle was a little heavy. I'm an old man now & it becomes more difficult to maintain the same level of fitness. If I thought I could get 2900 fps with 156s out of a 22" barrel I would rebarrel that way next time. I can only go off of what I see & I don't see it happening for me. I'm also sticking with Bartlein due to my history of always getting excellent quality. I also understand losing speed just means a few extra clicks, but when you pay for a custom you should get what makes you happy & I like speed.
I'm very happy you have the results you have. I'm not doubting you, but based on what I see with the slower burning powders I would never get what you see. Congrats to you on your rifle & best wishes to you moving forward.
Lynn
My day pack and gear is 40-45 lbs and I hunt steep mountain terrain 6000-10000 feet. A few inches of barrel doesn't add up to enough to be concerned with for weight. I run a carbon to help a little bit though. It's more about running a rifle with a suppressor that is 7 inches long. Add 7 to any normal length barrel and things get a bit ridiculous for handling and if I take the horses it won't fit in a scabbard. In my circle there are 5 PRC's. None of us have issues with speed. I am the only one with a 18" so I can't do a lot of comparing, the rest are all 22-24. What I see is people running too slow of powder or basing all their info off barrel that is not broke in yet. My 22" took a fair bit but once it broke in, hot loads were no longer hot, and I could run another .5 grains if I wanted to. I left it alone though. I do plan to put the 18 back on soon and finish getting that barrel tuned and broke in. My new suppressor is 6" long and with the 18 it'll be 24 vs the 29 I'm running now. Just a nicer handling rifle and with a folding stock it'll carry nicely in my pack. If you are on FB there is a PRC group with a crap ton of info and a lot of shorter barrel PRC's getting the same numbers as me (many are faster). I get up to pressure signs and back off until I can't feel or see any. I think many of those guys are ok with a little stiffness in the bolt and slight ejector marks. I see none of that in mine.
 
If this helps anyone, I called and spoke with Berger about their 156 EOL bullet a few months back and got one of the fellas to really open up to me. Load data max was 57.5 - 57.8 RL26 with 2925-2950 FPS. 24" barrel.
It's incredibly subjective is the problem. I run 55.5 rl26 and get 2915. Based on their info I'm 2 grains under max. Hornady published their data at 55.7 max for a 147/153 at 3050.
 
If this helps anyone, I called and spoke with Berger about their 156 EOL bullet a few months back and got one of the fellas to really open up to me. Load data max was 57.5 - 57.8 RL26 with 2925-2950 FPS. 24" barrel.
I'm shooting 3050-3060 with 57.0 out of a 26" Bartlein #4 8-7.5 twist throated for the 156s. I was shooting 3100+ with 57.6 this winter, but started seeing pressure as the weather warmed and backed off. Think I'll keep it low for my barrel & brass. Over 3000 with the 156 is good for me. What an awesome bullet!
 
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My day pack and gear is 40-45 lbs and I hunt steep mountain terrain 6000-10000 feet. A few inches of barrel doesn't add up to enough to be concerned with for weight. I run a carbon to help a little bit though. It's more about running a rifle with a suppressor that is 7 inches long. Add 7 to any normal length barrel and things get a bit ridiculous for handling and if I take the horses it won't fit in a scabbard. In my circle there are 5 PRC's. None of us have issues with speed. I am the only one with a 18" so I can't do a lot of comparing, the rest are all 22-24. What I see is people running too slow of powder or basing all their info off barrel that is not broke in yet. My 22" took a fair bit but once it broke in, hot loads were no longer hot, and I could run another .5 grains if I wanted to. I left it alone though. I do plan to put the 18 back on soon and finish getting that barrel tuned and broke in. My new suppressor is 6" long and with the 18 it'll be 24 vs the 29 I'm running now. Just a nicer handling rifle and with a folding stock it'll carry nicely in my pack. If you are on FB there is a PRC group with a crap ton of info and a lot of shorter barrel PRC's getting the same numbers as me (many are faster). I get up to pressure signs and back off until I can't feel or see any. I think many of those guys are ok with a little stiffness in the bolt and slight ejector marks. I see none of that in mine.
As I've said before I'm truly happy for you and do not doubt you at all. For myself I have to go off of what I see with my LabRadar. When I upgraded I kept my Magneto V3 for data checking my Lab. And what I've seen from the Berger Tech gents over the phone is that their max is a real max unlike a lot of manuals that figure in a safety margin for legal purposes. Their numbers are matching what I'm seeing.
Congrats on staying fit. I tell people I don't do it to live longer, I do it so I can enjoy each day more. It will start declining for me as I'm old and have a low grade rare bone cancer. Wife and I just returned from the Mayo Clinic. I sold the last of my horses this spring and a gentleman is coming this afternoon to buy my pack gear at a give-a-way price. The pack saddle & feed bags are stuffed in the large Tupperware in the pic. I'll miss packing friends that don't have horses into the backcountry to get a real wilderness hunt.
God Bless & Stay Safe!

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