Chasing the new and improved.

[MOOSE39465]

Seems like there's a new Cartridge coming out everyday. I have always set back and analyze a new cartridge to see if there's real benefit, but I always seem to step back and concentrate on tried and true cartridges. My question is why is it a new cartridge comes out and the shooting community jumps on it full throttle? I really believe if we eliminate 70 percent of new cartridges you will see reloading components be more available, and rifles will be more accurate then ever.

 

[belldar]

I got into a few new calibers (300PRC/creedmoor) and have since gone back to the old tried and true(300WM/260ai/284) and couldn't be more happy that I did. Only one I kept around was the 6 creedmoor. Hard to beat some of the old tried and true and still be able to get ammo and components for them Right now.
It makes sense if there where not so many cartridge options there would be more available components for the options there are. Although even if it was the way it probably wouldn't change a whole lot right now as people would still be trying to get all that they could.
But I see and realize what you are saying/thinking

 

[MOOSE39465]

I got into a few new calibers (300PRC/creedmoor) and have since gone back to the old tried and true(300WM/260ai/284) and couldn't be more happy that I did. Only one I kept around was the 6 creedmoor. Hard to beat some of the old tried and true and still be able to get ammo and components for them Right now.
It makes sense if there where not so many cartridge options there would be more available components for the options there are. Although even if it was the way it probably wouldn't change a whole lot right now as people would still be trying to get all that they could.
But I see and realize what you are saying/thinking

Something else I been researching is chamber reamers and new brass. I will admit I love 6.5 Grendel. I really feel it has changed the game in AR15, but everyone seems to have there owns standards as to new brass or ammunition. In the future I feel this cartridge will improve but it will take time. I think that's what we need is to step back and improve what we have. At the end of the day it always comes down to case capacity and bullet selection. The bullet industry is making great strides, but I feel that particular area needs major improvement.

 

[backwoodsshooter]

oh where to start.

because it's new and many of the promoters are doing exactly what they are paid for, hype a product up and sell it.

people are always wanting the new and "bestest".

while other wanna neck down a 50bmg case to shoot a 90gr 224 projectile. i'd call it the 224 blowtorch.

think of it like what apple does every year with the iPhone.

however, bullet manufactures, now that i think is really what is driving things. case and point, i would have never thought about putting together a LR 270win if it wasn't for berger coming out with their 170gr EOL.

with that said, a lot of the "old timer" cartridges are not for the most part if completely able to shoot newer, heavier projectiles accurately.

so the firearm industry comes out with a and improved cartridge to be able to shoot those projectiles.

off the top of my head, a lot of the 30 cal stuff. ie- PRC. though the Win Mag (from what i've seen and read) will outshoot a PRC when you get up to 240/250gr stuff. but i don't have either so idk if it's true or not.


something like that anyways

 

[MOOSE39465]

oh where to start.

because it's new and many of the promoters are doing exactly what they are paid for, hype a product up and sell it.

people are always wanting the new and "bestest".

while other wanna neck down a 50bmg case to shoot a 90gr 224 projectile. i'd call it the 224 blowtorch.

think of it like what apple does every year with the iPhone.

however, bullet manufactures, now that i think is really what is driving things. case and point, i would have never thought about putting together a LR 270win if it wasn't for berger coming out with their 170gr EOL.

with that said, a lot of the "old timer" cartridges are not for the most part if completely able to shoot newer, heavier projectiles accurately.

so the firearm industry comes out with a and improved cartridge to be able to shoot those projectiles.

off the top of my head, a lot of the 30 cal stuff. ie- PRC. though the Win Mag (from what i've seen and read) will outshoot a PRC when you get up to 240/250gr stuff. but i don't have either so idk if it's true or not.


something like that anyways

I feel this is going to be a long one haha. I can see you feel some of the same as I do. The 2 driving factors in my opinion is case capacity and barrel twist. With those 2 factors you can take a 60's model cartridge and turn it into a modern viable long range cartridge. Properly chambering a cartridge, and proper sizing die can turn any round into modern day greatness.

 

[backwoodsshooter]

I feel this is going to be a long one haha. I can see you feel some of the same as I do. The 2 driving factors in my opinion is case capacity and barrel twist. With those 2 factors you can take a 60's model cartridge and turn it into a modern viable long range cartridge. Properly chambering a cartridge, and proper sizing die can turn any round into modern day greatness.

pretty spot on. factor in how the shooting competition scene has came on, that little extra can be the difference between wining a match or setting a record, or not.

tinkering with things can be a blessing and a curse lol. some catch and take off, 6.5 creed. some fall to the wayside, 260 remington maybe?

take the sherman lineup of cartridges, i would love to have the 270 sherman, but to me the $$$$ to performance increase is just a bit more than i care to deal with. same with the 7mm shermans. but again the dies are just awe fully expensive for just shooting out to 1k for me

but i will say, stepping out of the mainstream stuff has allowed me to find components as the 6.8spc, 277wlv, 270win, 358win, and 375 raptor are not highly desired for shooters like the 6.5 stuff and a lot of the 30cal stuff.

 

[MOOSE39465]

pretty spot on. factor in how the shooting competition scene has came on, that little extra can be the difference between wining a match or setting a record, or not.

tinkering with things can be a blessing and a curse lol. some catch and take off, 6.5 creed. some fall to the wayside, 260 remington maybe?

take the sherman lineup of cartridges, i would love to have the 270 sherman, but to me the $$$$ to performance increase is just a bit more than i care to deal with. same with the 7mm shermans. but again the dies are just awe fully expensive for just shooting out to 1k for me

but i will say, stepping out of the mainstream stuff has allowed me to find components as the 6.8spc, 277wlv, 270win, 358win, and 375 raptor are not highly desired for shooters like the 6.5 stuff and a lot of the 30cal stuff.

I will admit I'm lazy. If it takes to much effort to reload I'm out. I am also a cheap *** so anything experimental or wildcat it's out of the question.

 

[backwoodsshooter]

I will admit I'm lazy. If it takes to much effort to reload I'm out. I am also a cheap *** so anything experimental or wildcat it's out of the question.

lol, for now, i've been keeping it to if i can't neck it up or down or chop it down and resize, i'm out.

fireforming, and neck turning, yuck.

but that'll change howpfully soon when everything dies down

 

[West Calamus]

So what's next? A 300 PRC necked down to a 7mm?

 

[FEENIX]

Seems like there's a new Cartridge coming out everyday. I have always set back and analyze a new cartridge to see if there's real benefit, but I always seem to step back and concentrate on tried and true cartridges. My question is why is it a new cartridge comes out and the shooting community jumps on it full throttle? I really believe if we eliminate 70 percent of new cartridges you will see reloading components be more available, and rifles will be more accurate then ever.

"I" would rather have choices of new and old than not. What one does with those choices is entirely up to the end-user. I have the nostalgic 6.5x55 (1894) and our venerable .30-06 (1906) and love them both. But I also like the new chamberings as I am a big fan of innovations. My newest is the 6.5 CM (2008). I have a few chamberings, including wildcats, in my inventory. "I" do not chase what is new and improved, but "I" appreciate that they are available for all of us to choose from.

 

[Justice1327]

If it wasn't for manufactures coming out with new stuff and pushing the limits we would all still be shooting 120-year-old plus cartridges like the 6.5x55... Oh, wait that is what I still shoot in my favorite gun...Never mind.

 

[HuntnPack]

I like seeing new "improved" cartridges, bullets, powders, etc.

Having more selections makes it fun to try new things, & put together rifle/cartridge combinations with performance levels to fit my needs.

I don't chase em all .... but I do consider
em.

 

[longestrange]

IMHO the benefits would be actions that accommodate the longer high BC VLD bullets with associated rifling twist, and blowing out the case (fatter, sharper shoulder) to get more capacity in a given action length.
Both these improvements would allow flatter shooting for longer range hunting.
At some point, however, there are diminishing returns. Such could be said for the 338-370 Wby vs. the 340 Wby magnum.

 

[mercerbear]

Something else I been researching is chamber reamers and new brass. I will admit I love 6.5 Grendel. I really feel it has changed the game in AR15, but everyone seems to have there owns standards as to new brass or ammunition. In the future I feel this cartridge will improve but it will take time. I think that's what we need is to step back and improve what we have. At the end of the day it always comes down to case capacity and bullet selection. The bullet industry is making great strides, but I feel that particular area needs major improvement.

I'm a big fan of the Grendel in the AR platform too. It's my favorite small block caliber.

I have ARs in 12.5", 14.5" [P&W to 16"], 16", 18", 20" & 24" chambered in 6.5 G.