Nightforce lately?

Will16 said:
It's because the Erectors suck and get stuck so you have to nock them into place. My buddy does this and I had to do it on his vx3i to site it in. I can go to the other thread where I stated this. It's post 183 on the top of page 13 the thread is Lots of people like to bash brands.
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I'm on the same thread. Haha. You cant say anything negative about any brand without someone calling you a fanboi, discrediting your experience, or giving a complete 180 of their experience with the same product.
 
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We have a large gun club near the house that Ive frequented for years. Im betting there's others here with experiences similar to what im about to explain.

In every discipline of shooting, be it shotgun, rifles or handgun, there's a contingent of salty old veterans (both kinds) who have literally "been there and done that". You have to listen to them because most of them have worn out and thrown away more shooting gear than you've seen, but man o man if you have an idea contrary to what they believe!!:D

In full transparency, I've attached some of their faces to some of the posts here when I read them!😁

I'm a huge believer in NF based on experience both personal and commercial. Not sure if I've reached fanboi status yet because I still get sand in my crotch every time I have to pay for one. I started out a Leupold guy and personal experience led me away but I wouldn't be scared to use one, its just not my personal choice.

Some of you sound like you could join the #metoo movement based on what NF has done to your psyche.
 
crazyhorse said:
In every discipline of shooting, be it shotgun, rifles or handgun, there's a contingent of salty old veterans (both kinds) who have literally "been there and done that". You have to listen to them because most of them have worn out and thrown away more shooting gear than you've seen,

Some of you sound like you could join the #metoo movement based on what NF has done to your psyche.
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First, I liked your post, need some humor in this train wreck.
I agree and disagree both at the same time. Most guys who've been around the block are knowledgeable as heck, but their opinions on things is where a disconnect can occur. I am set in my ways, scoff at gadgets. I shoot with guys 20 yrs younger and roll my eyes a lot on their thoughts, does not make me right. And in a lot cases, at some point end up being left behind for a failure to change
When a guy looks at a rifle build or buy, all the ideas poured into a bowl to come up with a finished product, the scope will always be the most subjective. The choice between a Curtis or Defiance action may be moot. A bix & andy, or trigger tech diamond will not yield any more hits than a Jewell or a calvin elite, nor will the cheaper ones account for more misses. A Manners is on par with a McMillan, or both on par with an MPA chassis, but with stocks we are getting more into personal preferences but not on par with the optic. With a scope, it may be necessity, or desire, or the abundance of choices today.
The days of buying a Leupold Vari X, or VX and being satisfied are gone. Buying the scope to fit is tough today.
You buy one chassis and if it is not for you, wont do that again, buy a brand of action you don't like, that bond is broken, buy a new brand of stock and don't like, wont be back, have a trigger bind up on an outing, goodbye. But the bulk of us will keep giving optics companies many chances to redeem themselves, even after getting our butts handed to us on a resale. The scope market is tough right now.
The OP threw some vague statements out, did I say vague, and now we are in a big storm. If you are looking at a scope, I would trust a friend only, not some internet jibberish. I own 5 Kahles scopes, only because of local opinions, if NF had made a decent mil reticle when I switched from moa, I'd own 6 F1 NF. I want a ZCO, and a TT, but if I own one, will need to replace the others, just how I roll and it is not feasible, what I have is good enough for my line of shooting. I am not a vortex guy, but need a scope for AR load development, a gen 2 razor meets every criteria I have, but it weighs 48oz, I wont do it. I will end up spending 800 more for a comparable model.
 
Will16 said:
It's because the Erectors suck and get stuck so you have to nock them into place. My buddy does this and I had to do it on his vx3i to site it in. I can go to the other thread where I stated this. It's post 183 on the top of page 13 the thread is Lots of people like to bash brands.
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agree. it's a common leupold thing. And when you forget to whack the scope, what happens is you make adjustments, take a shot and it's in the same spot as the old group. the next shot is in your "adjusted" position.
 
300whisper said:
I'm on the same thread. Haha. You cant say anything negative about any brand without someone calling you a fanboi, discrediting your experience, or giving a complete 180 of their experience with the same product.
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some angry retorts that I've enjoyed over the years:

"oh yeah? well, I've shot 35 trophy bull elk in a row with my (xyz scope) and never missed with it, so you're full of crap!"

"you don't know what yer talking about! this is 100% American made...." (box says made in China)

(referring to the same Chinese optic that's supposedly 100% american) ".....and it's a German company too! It's the same glass as Zeiss but it's cheaper because the Germans take lots of paid vacations! "
 
I'll stick with a NF. They meet my requirements. Tracks Perfectly, Proven Quality, reliability, durability. Functional. Never had a Failure.
I will not own a scope that I have to question
If it will function properly, or it's durability, or one I have to handle cautiously, or have to make operational concessions for functionality. ..Period !
I'm looking forward to owning a
NX8 F1. & F2 when available.
 
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300whisper said:
To be fair I don't know why my friends do that. They have exposed turrets and tap on them with a coin or the handle of a small pocket knife. There's got to be some superstition or weird campfire folklore going on there. I've only ever seen it with leupold owners too. Someone, somewhere, told somebody to tap their luepolds to get the adjustment to move and then it spread like covid.
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I both emailed and called Leupold and both responses were "TELL HIM TOO STOP DOING THAT"
its call backlash and if you need to do it send the scope in and they will fix it.
Hard to tell someone who talked to a REP that they may be wrong
 
skipdavidson said:
In light rifle space, think about the dollars that are spent to run Carbon Fiber stocks or Titanium actions. Saving 6-10 ounces on a scope that otherwise is as good as or better than a comparable product, and for the same or less cost to the end customer is a big win in my book. My cost margins are the same, so no big win for us on the $ side in the switch.
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- I know I'm a little late to the party here, but this has been an interesting thread to say the least and I felt it was worth my two cents.

Aaron, I'm a Gunwerks fan and previously owned one of your rifles, that shot well by the way, and I agree with a lot of what you've had to say in the thread. I am however curious to know if you have tested the NX8 at all. Based on your statement, as quoted above, you listed weight as a benefit to some of the products you now currently offer over some of the old products you did offer. Now from your objective standpoint would the new NX8 not provide some benefit over the Mark 5? The 4-32 is definitely smaller, provides more magnification, and is slightly lighter than the 5-25. And while the 2.5-20 is of similar size to the 3.5-18 Leupold it does provide slightly more magnification if you were to compare the two. Your admiration for the Atacr and the NXS is obvious based your admitted sales for both of them, and with the NX8 being a mix between the two (since it has mostly ED glass) wouldn't it be worth looking at? I'm no Nightforce supporter, but I like their products let me say that. If you disregard the behind the scenes issues you had with nightforce, as an industry leader, would it make sense as a revolutionary company like yours to test a revolutionary scope like the NX8 (whether it be the 2.5-20 or the 4-32)? Maybe the benefits of the NX8 aren't great enough for you to carry them based on your issues with the company but to the average long range hunter like me it could be. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the line personally. Many of us on here respect your educated opinion.
 
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