Sanford338
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2 exellent choices...
Nightforce lately?
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tylerw02
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I am not experienced with Mark 5s, but my $2500 Mark 6 was little more than a paperweight. I own two of them. I have four friends with Mark 6s. Between us, five of our six went back to Leupold.
One of my two was fine from the get go and still works. The other took FOUR opportunities before Leupold got it to hold zero and somewhat track. In the course of getting it repaired, I was cussed at, called an incompetent idiot, so on and so forth. I was promised a new scope if they found it to be defective (which they did once they put it on a gun outside their lab——funny, scopes work in a lab but not in the field), but instead they repaired it and gave it a fresh set of ring marks where they mounted it. If THAT is the customer service Leupold has, I hope they go out of business.
My fiends that had them fail sold them as soon as they were repairs. I wish I had sold them, but I keep trying because the weight was important to me and at the time, nobody came close. Now I can't sell them for anywhere near what I have in them. Some heavy hitters suggest the Mark 5s and at this point I'd trade them for a set of Mark 5s since they are known to work. But that's a pipe dream and my days doing business with Leupold are over. I know $5,000 is nothing to you, but it's a lot of money to me.
On the other thread you said that Leupold was the best by a good bit. You attack anyone who has anything negative to say about anything and try to make them look bad. It seems you do the same exact same thing that you hate only you do it with out merit.
6.5-300 BEE
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No I never said Leupold was the BEST scope nor IMHO is NF, although I own plenty of both.
My vote is for Schmidt. Do you own any ?
My vote is for Schmidt. Do you own any ?
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That logic seems pretty good! I can't speak to the Mk6 or other Leupold lines. I also have virtually zero Exp with BEAST or SHV. My data with approx 500+ MkV scopes and 5000+ NXS and 1000+ ATACR shows virtually no difference in POI/tracking performance issues. That is a very limited set of performance criteria.
Anecdotally, two scopes we use exclusively to "prove" a rifle when we suspect a scope problem, are the good old Japanese built 5.5-22X50 NXS models that have probably fired 30k+ rounds of heavy mags in light guns!
Axl
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It is Libel NOT slander when it is written and it is not a crime, but a "Tort" ( a civil wrong). Interference with interstate commerce is a federal crime. Nightforce ( or any other company) probably doesn't care what is on here or most any other forum.
No, I would only own one if I got a good deal on it or if it was given to me.
6.5-300 BEE
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Gee you do cut and paste well. Yup I said that ---- not "Best" as you lied. I'm sure you have never owned a
MARK 8 3.5-25X56MM M5B2 ILLUMINATED FRONT FOCAL
Leupold, not have I. Kinda doubt it's hard to beat. When you come up with a side by side test by a recognized optics authority that beats it, we'll all be waiting.
Btw how about sharing some pic of your $1000 + rifles equipped with $1000 + optics ?
Kinda like this one ------
MARK 8 3.5-25X56MM M5B2 ILLUMINATED FRONT FOCAL
Leupold, not have I. Kinda doubt it's hard to beat. When you come up with a side by side test by a recognized optics authority that beats it, we'll all be waiting.
Btw how about sharing some pic of your $1000 + rifles equipped with $1000 + optics ?
Kinda like this one ------
thanks for the info Skip...you're alright bro
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It took 9 pages, clarification remarks, jokes, personal experience, comparisons, and good ole fashion trolling, but we finally got an answer. Thanks for your input.
Saying it's impossible to beat means on top=best. Ever heard of tangent theta? They beat the mark 8 and so does hensoldt. https://www.eurooptic.com/hensoldt-riflescopes.aspx .
crazyhorse
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I've owned and/or extensively used numerous versions of both Leupold and Nightforce and willingly admit I've never used the Mk5 (I gave up on them before this version was available).
The only issue I've ever had with Leupold was tracking and it happened more than once with different models that were considered their top tier models at the time.
I've never had any type of issue with NF. Period. I'm positive they aren't perfect and if you use a particular brand of anything long enough you're bound to find a flaw, but I'm just not there yet.
I've read lots of good things about the Mk5 and if weight ever became a big issue in my particular purpose Id be inclined to give them a try.
The only issue I've ever had with Leupold was tracking and it happened more than once with different models that were considered their top tier models at the time.
I've never had any type of issue with NF. Period. I'm positive they aren't perfect and if you use a particular brand of anything long enough you're bound to find a flaw, but I'm just not there yet.
I've read lots of good things about the Mk5 and if weight ever became a big issue in my particular purpose Id be inclined to give them a try.
6.5-300 BEE
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I did find one review that included your brand. Apparently a good scope but did not blow away the others.
"I am extremely pleased with all of these scopes. I'd be happy with any of them to be honest. After having bought and sold many other scopes, these are the ones I currently like the most in this high magnification heavy weight category.
There is a significant difference in overall pricing between the scopes, from the Vortex Razor coming in at the lowest price of the bunch at $2500, all the way up to the $4500 for a Tangent Theta with the rest sprinkled in between. That's a pretty big leap between the Razor and TT.
I think it's interesting that the S&Bs have come down in price considerably. They are now being sold at similar pricing to when they were first released over a decade ago. Not too long ago S&B pricing was hovering around $3500+. While expensive, I still thought in many ways they were worth it. Around the time S&B pricing went into the stratosphere, Vortex shows up with the Razor Gen II and put everyone on notice. Suddenly, you could have a boat load of features, with top tier glass for less than $2500. The only penalty was weight. I bet that really shook all the other manufacturers up.
Since then, S&B streamlined the number of offerings they have (and they had a ridiculous number of offerings which explains their old pricing structure), and now they've become extremely competitive pricing wise. Matter of fact, it is now only a bit more expensive than the Vortex. I don't know how this will affect the perceived quality of their scopes but I know quality hasn't dropped in the slightest.
Then comes along Minox with a scope that is in my opinion, optically the equivalent of the current king, the Tangent Theta, but gives you better reticle options at a much lower cost. Time will tell if it has any issues or tracks as well as the TT. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone with a TT that didn't track true. Matter of fact, there are people who seem to get a kick out of figuring out just how exacting the tracking on a TT is. Whatever the case may be, the Minox is a scope worthy of being considered amongst the best in the world.
The Nightforce ATACR 7-35 F1 was a big surprise to me. I didn't expect it and was perfectly happy with my Nightforce ATACR 5-25 F1 but the idea of their 7-35 is so appealing that I had to see what it was about. They took a phenomenal scope and added onto it. Since Nightforce entered the FFP game, they've really done amazing things.
Each scope has its pros and cons and I feel like all of them will impress anyone looking for a top tier tactical scope. I say, choose the options you can't live without and the reticle you most desire, and have at it. In the end, only you can decide if one is worth the extra cost of entry over the other."
"I am extremely pleased with all of these scopes. I'd be happy with any of them to be honest. After having bought and sold many other scopes, these are the ones I currently like the most in this high magnification heavy weight category.
There is a significant difference in overall pricing between the scopes, from the Vortex Razor coming in at the lowest price of the bunch at $2500, all the way up to the $4500 for a Tangent Theta with the rest sprinkled in between. That's a pretty big leap between the Razor and TT.
I think it's interesting that the S&Bs have come down in price considerably. They are now being sold at similar pricing to when they were first released over a decade ago. Not too long ago S&B pricing was hovering around $3500+. While expensive, I still thought in many ways they were worth it. Around the time S&B pricing went into the stratosphere, Vortex shows up with the Razor Gen II and put everyone on notice. Suddenly, you could have a boat load of features, with top tier glass for less than $2500. The only penalty was weight. I bet that really shook all the other manufacturers up.
Since then, S&B streamlined the number of offerings they have (and they had a ridiculous number of offerings which explains their old pricing structure), and now they've become extremely competitive pricing wise. Matter of fact, it is now only a bit more expensive than the Vortex. I don't know how this will affect the perceived quality of their scopes but I know quality hasn't dropped in the slightest.
Then comes along Minox with a scope that is in my opinion, optically the equivalent of the current king, the Tangent Theta, but gives you better reticle options at a much lower cost. Time will tell if it has any issues or tracks as well as the TT. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone with a TT that didn't track true. Matter of fact, there are people who seem to get a kick out of figuring out just how exacting the tracking on a TT is. Whatever the case may be, the Minox is a scope worthy of being considered amongst the best in the world.
The Nightforce ATACR 7-35 F1 was a big surprise to me. I didn't expect it and was perfectly happy with my Nightforce ATACR 5-25 F1 but the idea of their 7-35 is so appealing that I had to see what it was about. They took a phenomenal scope and added onto it. Since Nightforce entered the FFP game, they've really done amazing things.
Each scope has its pros and cons and I feel like all of them will impress anyone looking for a top tier tactical scope. I say, choose the options you can't live without and the reticle you most desire, and have at it. In the end, only you can decide if one is worth the extra cost of entry over the other."
lancetkenyon
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IBTL.
I actually do not, nor ever have, owned any NF scopes, but have shot behind 30+.
BEAST is a brute, and very nice.
ATACR F1 is a fine scope.
ATACR is fine, but SFP is not my cup of tea.
NXS has never really impressed me.
SHV, for what they are, seem decent for the price.
I have only seen two issues with NF scopes personally.
I would take a NF ATACR F1 over a Leupold Mark 5 or Mark 6 if weight was not a concern.
I would take a Kahles over a NF however.
True, I do not have any rifles accurate enough for a NF scope...
I actually do not, nor ever have, owned any NF scopes, but have shot behind 30+.
BEAST is a brute, and very nice.
ATACR F1 is a fine scope.
ATACR is fine, but SFP is not my cup of tea.
NXS has never really impressed me.
SHV, for what they are, seem decent for the price.
I have only seen two issues with NF scopes personally.
I would take a NF ATACR F1 over a Leupold Mark 5 or Mark 6 if weight was not a concern.
I would take a Kahles over a NF however.
True, I do not have any rifles accurate enough for a NF scope...
