Nightforce lately?

Let me be explicit. My posts aren't intended to suggest NF doesn't make a great product.

I think we are talking apples to oranges here. You having $800k in inventory with a certain sample size not performing or not arriving on time is WAY different than guys like me or others who have posted about their ONE nightforce being awesome. You're threshold for BS from any scope manufacturer is obviously way lower. I guess my question is what were the biggest / most consistent issues you saw with NF? Not everything can be sunshine and rainbows including NF products.

I'm working from home and bored as crap. Can you guys tell? Lol haven't been to the range in 3 months....
 
So let me see if I understand this.

The OP who is not an optics expert and has never done any review of Nightforce based on generally accepted optical standards is now quoting some person whom he will not identify slamming a scope that most of us believe to be excellent ?

And here I thought all internet BOTs just hated Leupold !

Guess I'll be taking a hammer to all my NF scopes and replacing them with some from the country that deliberatly infected the world with a killer virus.

Does anyone actually give this guy any creds ?
 
My experiences with Nightforce has been outstanding. I got my first NF scope 4 or 5 years ago. It has worked great from day one. I've bought 3 other NF scopes since then, two of them were used. One of the used ones had a questionable Parallax adjustment. NF tech support walked me through trying a few things first. I ended up sending it in and they fixed my concerns. I never felt belittled or that I was wasting their time. They have always treated me well.
Ditto above. I have NF ATACR 5-25 F1 that was mounted on a 28 Nosler and had parallax adjustment issues. Last November checking zeros before an Elk hunt I had issues so I called customer service, tried a couple of suggested fixes that didn't work, sent it in, they fixed it with a quick turn-around. Customer was great, very curtious and accommodating .
 
The following applies to all scope vendors we work with.

The most important thing we check is adjustment performance. Click value over the usable range and POI shift cover most of the sins. You can get into trouble using reticles when the scope has distortion. Obviously resolution is important and easy to measure on the right equipment, but I just don't think is relevant as NO manufacturer is telling a customer what it SHOULD be. So even if it's tested, can we say it should be rejected?

We feel that for a given product line, the Mfg has established a range of optical performance that is acceptable. Generally higher performance = higher cost, but not a hard rule. If you accept that product lines optical performance as a fair price/value scenario, then the only thing worth chasing is items affecting POI performance. Again, each Mfg has established a tolerance allowable because no system is perfect. If you are testing scopes by shooting (rather than in a lab scenario) then I would suggest that if you can measure a system failure then it is way out of MFG tolerance.

When evaluating the price/performance matrix, the parallax system sensitivity and performance is really hard to quantify, but a really subtle differentiator.

We are in an unprecedented era of product choice (rifle scopes). When you realize that only a few manufacturers are actually that, I think supply chain transparency and published performance standards will be the only way we can differentiate products as we move forward. When you understand how the sourcing world works in the realm of optics, the heated discussions of brand superiority seem pretty silly. The only thing that matters is what the brand promises to deliver. Until they stand up and put it on paper, then all that is left is "mine is better than yours".
 
So let me see if I understand this.

The OP who is not an optics expert and has never done any review of Nightforce based on generally accepted optical standards is now quoting some person whom he will not identify slamming a scope that most of us believe to be excellent ?

And here I thought all internet BOTs just hated Leupold !

Guess I'll be taking a hammer to all my NF scopes and replacing them with some from the country that deliberatly infected the world with a killer virus.

Does anyone actually give this guy any creds ?
He is not bashing NF. He is asking why large system makers are moving away from them. And as it turns out it's not because NF fail a lot but because it's more Economical and their customers like less weight.
 
You might also note the BOTs long membership and high post count.

As well as not knowing his source, we don't even know him !

Wonder how much he is earning from his BS ? How many RMBs he has under the bed ?
 
He is not bashing NF. He is asking why large system makers are moving away from them. And as it turns out it's not because NF fail a lot but because it's more Economical and their customers like less weight.

For which he offers no proof other than "tits across the back fence" from somebody who was probably beaten by a NF user. How gullible are you ?
 
Also the reason why I don't like Leupold is because of their high failure rate. The op and all most everybody here hasn't had a problem with NF not working correctly.

Now we're back on track. bash Leupold with ZERO data to support internet BS.
 
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