Really Really really confused...no really!

Silverback7

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 23, 2010
Messages
125
Location
Not where I would like to be
Can someone explain to me FFP and SFP scopes....If your scope is a 3.5-10
the more you power it up the bigger the target gets but if your recticle stays the same how do you aim...I am confusing myself. if the recticle gets bigger you POA changes along with bullet drop? WHAT?
 

joseph

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
1,238
Location
GEORGIA
With a FFP scope the reticle and the target you are looking at increases in size in proportion to each other as you increase the power. The reticle looks thicker, but is the same thickness as the target gets larger also. You aim the same for any power you are on.

I love my Vortex 6-24x50mm PST FFP MOA scope with the Vortex custom turret calibrated to the drop chart I shot with my reloads out of MY rifle.

Drop chart. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

Testing new Vortex custom turret. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

joseph

PS: With a SFP scope as you power up the reticle stays the same size. If you do not know the distance to your target you have to put the power where the distance can be calibrated. With a FFP you can judge the distance at any power.
 

joseph

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
1,238
Location
GEORGIA
Silverback7,

Before you plant down your money on the table take a close look at the Vortex 6-24x50mm PST FFP MOA with a custom turret. $899.95 and about $100 for the custom turret. It also comes with an illuminated reticle.

You get a Laser rangefinder that ranges in yds. Then all you have to do is range your target turn your elevation custom turret to the yards, hold for wind and shoot. :D

IMHO I do not think you can buy a better working scope system even for a lot more money.

joseph
 

trebark

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
3,559
Location
Falls Church, VA
Silverback7,

Before you plant down your money on the table take a close look at the Vortex 6-24x50mm PST FFP MOA with a custom turret. $899.95 and about $100 for the custom turret. It also comes with an illuminated reticle.

You get a Laser rangefinder that ranges in yds. Then all you have to do is range your target turn your elevation custom turret to the yards, hold for wind and shoot. :D

IMHO I do not think you can buy a better working scope system even for a lot more money.

joseph

I have to disagree with the custom turret. The idea that one turret 'does it all' just doesn't seem to add up. what if you shoot different loads in the rifle? what if you shoot the same load all the time, but the turrest is based on sea level data, then you go to the mountains and increase altitude by 5000 feet? There's no way one turret covers all that.
 

joseph

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
1,238
Location
GEORGIA
I have to disagree with the custom turret. The idea that one turret 'does it all' just doesn't seem to add up. what if you shoot different loads in the rifle? what if you shoot the same load all the time, but the turrest is based on sea level data, then you go to the mountains and increase altitude by 5000 feet? There's no way one turret covers all that.

That's what everyone tells me, but mine shoots exactly the same at 4,500 feet in Gillette, Wyoming as it does at 800 feet where I live in north Georgia. You can't prove it to me with my rifle. Oh, I only shoot one load for everything. If I shoot something else like my 30-06 I switch the scope from my 6mm Norma BR. and they both shoot the same ark down range within 2 inches of each other.

Go figure.

joseph

PS: My 400 yard target I shot here in Georgia is dead on, but my custom turret was calibrated for 4500 feet in Wyoming where it is dead on all the way out to 900 yds.

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=559629&highlight=

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=564977&highlight= << Look at the top of the custom turret.

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=574886&highlight=
 

Loner

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 14, 2010
Messages
599
Location
NW Mt.
Baro isn't going to matter much at 400 yards. Try it at 800 and you will see your turret
markings are off quite a bit.
 

joseph

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2009
Messages
1,238
Location
GEORGIA
Baro isn't going to matter much at 400 yards. Try it at 800 and you will see your turret
markings are off quite a bit.

You may be correct because I have not tested it here where I live at farther then 400. I have shot it at 1,000 yds., but have to click up 27 MOA to get on the center of the target.

Thanks for this point that I never thought of.

joseph

PS: Scores & 5 shot group sizes are in lower right of target. Not to bad for a hunting rifle. This was the second time shooting at paper at 1,000 yds.
 

Attachments

  • 1000 yd. target.JPG
    1000 yd. target.JPG
    84.4 KB · Views: 59

Scot E

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 1, 2008
Messages
1,316
Location
SW Idaho
That's what everyone tells me, but mine shoots exactly the same at 4,500 feet in Gillette, Wyoming as it does at 800 feet where I live in north Georgia. You can't prove it to me with my rifle. Oh, I only shoot one load for everything. If I shoot something else like my 30-06 I switch the scope from my 6mm Norma BR. and they both shoot the same ark down range within 2 inches of each other.

Go figure.

joseph

PS: My 400 yard target I shot here in Georgia is dead on, but my custom turret was calibrated for 4500 feet in Wyoming where it is dead on all the way out to 900 yds.

Drop chart. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

Testing new Vortex custom turret. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum << Look at the top of the custom turret.

Field test: Vortex Viper 6-24x50mm PST MOA FFP scope. - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

You will find much more affect from atmospheric conditions once you get past 5-600 yards. And changes as you go higher in elevation will also affect you more.
 

Silverback7

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 23, 2010
Messages
125
Location
Not where I would like to be
Yeah I just looked at the custom turret. It seem like a restriction on loads. What if they cam out with a new bullet that twas the best around...you would have to plop down another 100 bucks for a new turret. No on the ecustom turret. Just make custom removeable stickers for each load.
 

D.ID

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 24, 2008
Messages
838
Location
Boise IDAHO
Of corse if you hunt the same areas all the time: get the turret set for a great load at that location. Don't waist your barrel trying every new bullet that comes along. If you go somewhere els to shoot check drops against the turret and compensate accordingly or just put the standard turret that came with the scope back on. ..... Then ....... Live happily ever after and so on and so forth. My opinion.
 

Silverback7

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 23, 2010
Messages
125
Location
Not where I would like to be
Of corse if you hunt the same areas all the time: get the turret set for a great load at that location. Don't waist your barrel trying every new bullet that comes along. If you go somewhere els to shoot check drops against the turret and compensate accordingly or just put the standard turret that came with the scope back on. ..... Then ....... Live happily ever after and so on and so forth. My opinion.

Different bullets do different things hence why they sell all different types of bullets. So that why I dont get your points of a custom turret.
 
Top