My fiends hit targets @ 1000 and have stacks of groups under 3'', w/6mm. But that is not the same as killing ELK @ 1000. I t is funny to me how hard this site pushes shooting elk @ 1000 yrds, WITH RIFLES that carry very small Energy when, bettter stuff has been around my whole life. I grew up at elk camp and here are some observations from back woods MT. A friend of my Dad has taken 58 bulls, 308 norma, I have another acqaintence 45 bulls 300 wby and larger. I have also ran into a guy hunting in mountains alot and has taken about 20 6pt. 30-06 and he does not shoot long. I also have a friend that has taken 35 + BULLS ARCHERY. Any body that I know local, that is a serious elk hunter and shoots distance uses a suitable cartridge. They range from 338 win, 300 win, 300 wby, 340 wby, and into the current ultras, 375 h&h and this is what I have seen for 20 yrs. A high school buddy of mine was national champ @ 13 , 1000 yrd. He has shoot about 12 elk on openong day 3oo WN. The 6.5 is what we would consider a deer cartrige at distance. 140 gr. vrs. 300+ in the 375. I think you are steering new hunters in the wrong direction when you advise them to shoot elk @ 1000 with light tackle.I have hunted my life in Mt mostly elk hunting and I have seen it go wrong, and I have seen big bulls suck up alot of 338 lead and run off. I t is hunting, and I HUNT A thick type terrain where elk get swallowed up.