Just signed up to take part in these great duscussions. I have grown up in the west, hunting deer, elk and antelope for over 40 years. I'm relatively new to long range shooting. Favorite cartidges are 8mm Rem. Mag, 7mm STW and 6.5 Rem Mag. Look forward to visiting with you. Last week a friend borrowed my STW and, with a little coaching, shot a nice cow elk @ 475yds. This was our first elk using the 168 Berger bullet. I got very little expansion on a double lung hit, but adequate(?) as the elk died within seconds after traveling about 60dys.