Hammer ballistic coefficient tests...

entoptics

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Tested out some Hammers over the last few weeks, and thought I'd publish my findings on the ballistic coefficients.

Tested using LabRadar and a Kestrel for environmentals. Used JBM Ballistics online calculator (click here). I shoot in a flat dirt field, so the LabRadar tracks exceptionally well, as there is no vegetation, let alone objects, which will interfere with tracking. I discard any tracking file that is less than 90 yards, and most have 100-150 yards of reliable data.

All 0.264 bullets were fired in a 264WM, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit. I've included some other bullets I've repeatedly measured in the same rifles, to give an idea of other brands' offset from quoted.

G1 (LabRadar)G7 (LabRadar)Quoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DifferenceG7 % Difference
124 HH
0.413​
0.202​
0.245​
82%​
Barnes 145 Match Burner
0.647​
0.321​
0.703​
92%​
Hornady 147 ELDM
0.662​
0.326​
0.697​
0.351​
95%​
93%​
Berger 156 EOL
0.660​
0.327​
0.679​
0.347​
97%​
94%​
Barnes 127 LRX
0.458​
0.224​
0.468​
98%​
Hornady 143 ELDX
0.640​
0.313​
0.623​
0.314​
103%​
100%​

All 0.284 bullets fired in a 7mm-08, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit.

BulletG1 LabRadarG7 LabRadarQuoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DiffernceG7 % Difference
140 Absolute Hammer
0.389​
0.194​
0.225​
86%​
143 Hammer Hunter
0.399​
0.200​
0.230​
87%​
Badlands 140 SBDII
0.516​
0.259​
0.560​
0.287​
92%​
90%​
Barnes 139 LRX
0.445​
0.223​
0.470​
95%​
Barnes 145 LRX
0.466​
0.234​
0.486​
96%​

Some commentary on my method.

I've used the LabRadar and JBM to calculate the B.C. of hundreds of shots, for perhaps 20 different bullets of various calibers and weights, in half a dozen different rifles. So far, the calculated B.C. allows me to shoot closer to reality than the generic B.C.s published by manufacturers. This has held true out to 1400 yards, though the vast majority of my shooting is from 500-900 yds. It's not perfect by any means, but it usually gives me a VERY good place to start confirming real world performance.

In other words, I trust the LabRadar within it's tolerances. A difference of a couple of percent from quoted is outside the LabRadar's abilities to measure, but >5% is certainly meaningful in my opinion.

Some commentary on inevitable commentary...

Not every hunter has the luxury or skill to easily confirm drop data out to maximum hunting distances. Manufacturers should strive to offer a B.C. as close to reality for the average shooter as they can. A couple of LabRadars and a decent weather meter are not that expensive to buy and use. Hornady apparently has a bajillion dollar Doppler setup, and other than the 147 ELDM above, and the 0.284 180 ELDM, every Hornady bullet I've ever measured with LabRadar has been within a couple of percent of their quoted B.C., with a couple actually exceeding the published values by a percent or two.

Every rifle is different, but the rifles used in this test should be conservative, in that they should give the best possible chance for a good B.C. Quality barrels, fast twist in the 7mm-08, and high velocity for stability in the 264. I've tested the same bullets in two different rifles/calibers/twists a few times, and the difference from rifle to rifle was never more than a percent or two, so I find "rifles are different" to be specious at best.

Anyway, hope this information is helpful.
 
Bottom line is I think everyone needs to go validate their loads if they are shooting much beyond their approximate point blank range. Even if they have a perfect bc number to calculate drop and drift, it won't mean much if their optic adjust 110%, or 90%, of what they dial. There are many optics out there in use that don't dial the correct amount. That isn't accounting for the many other compounding factors that may be present on top of that.

An excuse of not being able to get to the range simply isn't sufficient, if you aren't able to get to the range and shoot your rifle out to your intended max hunting distance, be it 400 yards or 1200 yards, then shorten your intended hunting distance until you can. There is just too much that can go wrong or data that can be incorrect that needs to be figured out prior to taking a shot at an animal and hoping for the best.

And I think your data here exemplifies that even more. Bullet bc's can be close, but very often aren't representative of field observations. The only thing we know is that we don't know until we try it.
 
I get .235 G7 for the 177 HH from a 284 win long action. Brux 1:8. Drops verified at 1000.

Perhaps a typo? The 177 has a estimated G7 of 0.313. That would be roughly 75% off at 0.235.

BC numbers sell bullets

Bottom line is I think everyone needs to go validate their loads if they are shooting much beyond their approximate point blank range. Even if they have a perfect bc number to calculate drop and drift, it won't mean much if their optic adjust 110%, or 90%, of what they dial. There are many optics out there in use that don't dial the correct amount. That isn't accounting for the many other compounding factors that may be present on top of that.

I agree that there are other factors that are important in making a long range hunting shot.

That said, B.C. is a well established metric, and companies are publishing them. As straight forward as they are to measure with useful precision and accuracy, they should be relevant to reality when found next to the "BUY NOW" button. After all, you and I can ballpark measure them, using only math and simple tools.

I am unhappy with buying a bullet labeled 147 grains, that actually only weighs 132 grains. Or a bullet that claimed 1.5X expansion in ballistics gel, but in several tests only expanded 1.35X. Or a generator that claimed 1000W, which only produced 900W.

These metrics help us be informed consumers, and their veracity is important.

An excuse of not being able to get to the range simply isn't sufficient, if you aren't able to get to the range and shoot your rifle out to your intended max hunting distance, be it 400 yards or 1200 yards, then shorten your intended hunting distance until you can.

Agreed, but there are those who might not be able/willing to make that effort.

Adding an easily correctable error into their system doesn't help.

Also, for those of us who do have the luxury of intense practice at range, having precise parameters to start with, means fewer wasted loads, barrel wear and tear, gasoline in range trips, etc.
 
Tested out some Hammers over the last few weeks, and thought I'd publish my findings on the ballistic coefficients.

Tested using LabRadar and a Kestrel for environmentals. Used JBM Ballistics online calculator (click here). I shoot in a flat dirt field, so the LabRadar tracks exceptionally well, as there is no vegetation, let alone objects, which will interfere with tracking. I discard any tracking file that is less than 90 yards, and most have 100-150 yards of reliable data.

All 0.264 bullets were fired in a 264WM, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit. I've included some other bullets I've repeatedly measured in the same rifles, to give an idea of other brands' offset from quoted.

G1 (LabRadar)G7 (LabRadar)Quoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DifferenceG7 % Difference
124 HH
0.413​
0.202​
0.245​
82%​
Barnes 145 Match Burner
0.647​
0.321​
0.703​
92%​
Hornady 147 ELDM
0.662​
0.326​
0.697​
0.351​
95%​
93%​
Berger 156 EOL
0.660​
0.327​
0.679​
0.347​
97%​
94%​
Barnes 127 LRX
0.458​
0.224​
0.468​
98%​
Hornady 143 ELDX
0.640​
0.313​
0.623​
0.314​
103%​
100%​

All 0.284 bullets fired in a 7mm-08, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit.

BulletG1 LabRadarG7 LabRadarQuoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DiffernceG7 % Difference
140 Absolute Hammer
0.389​
0.194​
0.225​
86%​
143 Hammer Hunter
0.399​
0.200​
0.230​
87%​
Badlands 140 SBDII
0.516​
0.259​
0.560​
0.287​
92%​
90%​
Barnes 139 LRX
0.445​
0.223​
0.470​
95%​
Barnes 145 LRX
0.466​
0.234​
0.486​
96%​

Some commentary on my method.

I've used the LabRadar and JBM to calculate the B.C. of hundreds of shots, for perhaps 20 different bullets of various calibers and weights, in half a dozen different rifles. So far, the calculated B.C. allows me to shoot closer to reality than the generic B.C.s published by manufacturers. This has held true out to 1400 yards, though the vast majority of my shooting is from 500-900 yds. It's not perfect by any means, but it usually gives me a VERY good place to start confirming real world performance.

In other words, I trust the LabRadar within it's tolerances. A difference of a couple of percent from quoted is outside the LabRadar's abilities to measure, but >5% is certainly meaningful in my opinion.

Some commentary on inevitable commentary...

Not every hunter has the luxury or skill to easily confirm drop data out to maximum hunting distances. Manufacturers should strive to offer a B.C. as close to reality for the average shooter as they can. A couple of LabRadars and a decent weather meter are not that expensive to buy and use. Hornady apparently has a bajillion dollar Doppler setup, and other than the 147 ELDM above, and the 0.284 180 ELDM, every Hornady bullet I've ever measured with LabRadar has been within a couple of percent of their quoted B.C., with a couple actually exceeding the published values by a percent or two.

Every rifle is different, but the rifles used in this test should be conservative, in that they should give the best possible chance for a good B.C. Quality barrels, fast twist in the 7mm-08, and high velocity for stability in the 264. I've tested the same bullets in two different rifles/calibers/twists a few times, and the difference from rifle to rifle was never more than a percent or two, so I find "rifles are different" to be specious at best.

Anyway, hope this information is helpful.
I appreciate your time and effort (lots of work went into this) in putting the data together, but I do not want to misconstrue the data you share. If I understand correctly, you took the ratio of the actual measured BC and the quoted BC. Did you mean to present it as a ratio between the two BC numbers? Or the difference between the two BC numbers.

I am curious if you meant to present it as:

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As noted, I appreciate you. Cheers!
 
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I use the Hornady 4DOF calculator with listed bullets, a Magneto chrony, range testing as far as I can shoot, then go out & shoot rodents with range finder and subject rifle whether it be .22-.250 or .300WM. Much field data is recorded in notebook. The Hornady 4DOF calculator does not use BC's.

Bullets like the .204 diameter 40 Vmax & 6mm 87 Vmax use the standard ballistic calculator that uses G1 & G7 BC data and despite their modest BC values they are effective at moderate & longish ranges, 400 yards for the .204 & 600 yards for the 6mm.

For my shooting needs - steel, rodents, & paper the Hornady ELDM & listed bullets work well. Favorites used with H 4DOF are: .224 75 ELDM, 6mm 105 Hornady HpBT, 6mm 108 ELDM, 6.5 120, 130, ELDM's, 6.5 140 HpBt, .308 195 HpBt, 208 ELDM (.300 WM). Bullet availability is a big factor. The Sierra 6mm 107 MK bullet is included in the H 4DOF calculator.

Seeing actual results with a range finder builds confidence.
 
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@entoptics, I've always appreciated your studies.

How many rounds were fired to obtain the values for your results? I don't recall seeing an 'n' value.
I ask because my desk measurements of a different brand of CNC produced monolithics shows a variation in the ogive from bullet to bullet. This would affect the ballistic coefficients, but in the range that I use this gun (300 yds), it doesn't matter to me. If I shot farther, barring my own accuracy limitations, I would expect the POI to open up considerably.

I've never been curious enough to dig into ballistic equations and BCs at different velocities like what Sierra publishes. Have you ever considered doing the test with MVs which vary significantly, I.e full power vs reduced loads, and measured the difference in BC?
 
Fenix is right-- the first thing I noticed was the math you used for % seemed to be backwards for the wording you used.

Also - weather data should be listed and it would come into play. Altitude, air density/himidity/ baro pressure
, temp, wind and direction, etc so we have weather variables along side your speed/bc data

If anyone shoots at longer distances- they will figure out that numbers can slightly change and so do shooting conditions --- so its wise and necessary to check and prove your numbers and drops at distance for consistent first round hits.

Formulas and meters help but drops still must be proven .

Thanks for your time and data

Some people might take the title and data the wrong way as your title says "hammer BC tests"--- yet you tested 4 brands of bullets not just hammers--- just my 2 cents but a less biased title might have been " lab radar bullet bc testing"
 
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Perhaps a typo? The 177 has a estimated G7 of 0.313. That would be roughly 75% off at 0.235.
That's what I get. .313 G7 is in the low 600s G1. No copper bullet will ever achieve those numbers. Maybe if you shoot an extreme velocity in the correct conditions.

At what distance are you validating these BC numbers?
 
Tested out some Hammers over the last few weeks, and thought I'd publish my findings on the ballistic coefficients.

Tested using LabRadar and a Kestrel for environmentals. Used JBM Ballistics online calculator (click here). I shoot in a flat dirt field, so the LabRadar tracks exceptionally well, as there is no vegetation, let alone objects, which will interfere with tracking. I discard any tracking file that is less than 90 yards, and most have 100-150 yards of reliable data.

All 0.264 bullets were fired in a 264WM, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit. I've included some other bullets I've repeatedly measured in the same rifles, to give an idea of other brands' offset from quoted.

G1 (LabRadar)G7 (LabRadar)Quoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DifferenceG7 % Difference
124 HH
0.413​
0.202​
0.245​
82%​
Barnes 145 Match Burner
0.647​
0.321​
0.703​
92%​
Hornady 147 ELDM
0.662​
0.326​
0.697​
0.351​
95%​
93%​
Berger 156 EOL
0.660​
0.327​
0.679​
0.347​
97%​
94%​
Barnes 127 LRX
0.458​
0.224​
0.468​
98%​
Hornady 143 ELDX
0.640​
0.313​
0.623​
0.314​
103%​
100%​

All 0.284 bullets fired in a 7mm-08, 1:8", 5R, X-Caliber Savage Prefit.

BulletG1 LabRadarG7 LabRadarQuoted G1Quoted G7G1 % DiffernceG7 % Difference
140 Absolute Hammer
0.389​
0.194​
0.225​
86%​
143 Hammer Hunter
0.399​
0.200​
0.230​
87%​
Badlands 140 SBDII
0.516​
0.259​
0.560​
0.287​
92%​
90%​
Barnes 139 LRX
0.445​
0.223​
0.470​
95%​
Barnes 145 LRX
0.466​
0.234​
0.486​
96%​

Some commentary on my method.

I've used the LabRadar and JBM to calculate the B.C. of hundreds of shots, for perhaps 20 different bullets of various calibers and weights, in half a dozen different rifles. So far, the calculated B.C. allows me to shoot closer to reality than the generic B.C.s published by manufacturers. This has held true out to 1400 yards, though the vast majority of my shooting is from 500-900 yds. It's not perfect by any means, but it usually gives me a VERY good place to start confirming real world performance.

In other words, I trust the LabRadar within it's tolerances. A difference of a couple of percent from quoted is outside the LabRadar's abilities to measure, but >5% is certainly meaningful in my opinion.

Some commentary on inevitable commentary...

Not every hunter has the luxury or skill to easily confirm drop data out to maximum hunting distances. Manufacturers should strive to offer a B.C. as close to reality for the average shooter as they can. A couple of LabRadars and a decent weather meter are not that expensive to buy and use. Hornady apparently has a bajillion dollar Doppler setup, and other than the 147 ELDM above, and the 0.284 180 ELDM, every Hornady bullet I've ever measured with LabRadar has been within a couple of percent of their quoted B.C., with a couple actually exceeding the published values by a percent or two.

Every rifle is different, but the rifles used in this test should be conservative, in that they should give the best possible chance for a good B.C. Quality barrels, fast twist in the 7mm-08, and high velocity for stability in the 264. I've tested the same bullets in two different rifles/calibers/twists a few times, and the difference from rifle to rifle was never more than a percent or two, so I find "rifles are different" to be specious at best.

Anyway, hope this information is helpful.
Well done and thanks for taking the time and effort to do this and share your results. I load for more than a handful of 30-378 Accumarks and the BC's vary significantly from gun to gun (with all being more than acceptable within effective hunting ranges).I've ask Steve about this and he said that he has that he experiences the same thing from barrel to barrel in identical rifles. I believe certain styles of bullets are less affected from barrel to barrel allowing them to have a consistent published BC. Unfortunately Hammers, are not one of those and need to be verified. That being said, Hammers remain to be my hunting bullet of choice because they flat out kill better than anything I've used over the past 35 years.
 
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